Damn it, why is this post so hard to write? I’ve been umming and ahhing over it for the last week – all the previous incarnations have either been to long-winded and boring, or too glib. A word of warning, I will be quoting extensively from the book I’m writing about, because sometimes the author does a better job than I could of hanging himself. Let’s begin.
The pain-body consists of trapped life-energy that has split off from your total energy field and has temporarily become autonomous through the unnatural process of mind identification.
This cryptic sentence comes from Eckhart Tolle’s The Power of Now, a self-help book published in 1999, which has been enjoying a surge in popularity because of Tolle’s endorsement from that queen of spiritual window shopping, Oprah. It is typical of the loop-the-loop style of Tolle’s writing, but more of that later.
I thought, when I borrowed this book from the library, that I would be angered by Tolle’s writing. I was expecting him to have written things that I could pounce on as being dangerous. There were a few flashes of anger as I read, but mostly, I found 191 pages of badly written half-baked philosophical meandering.
The “Publishers Preface” sets up grand expectations:
Perhaps once in a decade, or even once in a generation, a book like The Power of Now comes along. It is more than a book; there is living energy in it, one that you can probably feel as you hold it… From the first page of his writing, it is clear that Eckhart Tolle is a contemporary master.
Tolle obviously believes those grand statements, as he writes in his introduction:
The pause symbol (S) after certain passages is a suggestion that you may want to stop reading for a moment, become still, and feel and experience the truth of what has just been said.
I’m getting ahead of myself, though. Let’s start with the first bit of writing in the book – a quotation facing the copyright page:
You are here to enable the divine purpose of the universe to unfold. That is how important you are!
Not the pithiest thing I’ve ever read… but who wrote these words? Jesus? the Buddha? Plato? No! Eckhart Tolle starts his book with a crap quotation from: himself!
It would be too easy (and a little tedious) to nitpick every page in the book, so I’m going to pull out a few themes around which the book is built.
Theme #1: Science, BAD. But scientists are now proving that prayer works/’higher dimensions’ exist/quantum teleportation is the same as magic.
This is a common theme with spiritual/religious folk, who disparage science and at the same time try to couch their claims in scientific language to make them seem more legitimate. When creationists felt they could no longer influence the public school system with arguments based purely on faith, they came up with Intelligent Design, which is creationism shrouded in scientific-sounding language. The person who wrote the Foreword to The Power of Now (Russell E. Dicarlo, if that means something to you) is disdainful of science:
Materialistically bound, traditional science assumes that anything that cannot be measured, tested in a laboratory, or probed by the five senses or their technological extensions simply doesn’t exist. It’s “not real”…Spiritual, or what I call nonphysical, dimensions of reality have been run out of town.
Not run out of town fast enough, which is why this book exists. But I digress. Dicarlo then says that despite the pooh-poohing of ‘traditional’ scientists, science is starting to show that there is something ‘out there’, as spiritualists have always claimed:
Interestingly enough, [an] extended, multidimensional model of reality is suggested by quantum theorists such as Jack Scarfetti who describes superluminal travel… Or consider the work of the legendary physicist, David Bohm, with his explicate (physical) and implicate (non-physical) multidimensional model of reality.
Who the hell is Jack Scarfetti? I’m pretty sure he means Jack SARFATTI – the same Sarfatti who once professed to be impressed by Uri Geller’s ‘telekinetic’ ability, and was one of the founders of the Physics Consciousness Research Group. Go have a look at their website, while I duck to avoid the accusations of using an ad hominem argument. Seriously, go look at it. You’ll learn something. Mainly, you’ll learn all about how not to design a website.
I’m still not sure whether the Scarfetti-Sarfatti thing was a typo (pretty big one), or whether Dicarlo was hoping that people would take his impressive-sounding words at face value without doing further research (well, if he names his reference, it must be true). It’s bad form, regardless.
Theme #2: Thinking, BAD.
Thinking has become a disease
Tolle says that all our problems exist because we identify too much with our minds. The quotation above is only the most succinct of the anti-intellectual statements in The Power of Now.
Tolle calls the thinking mind the ‘egoic mind’. This egoic mind is where all our thoughts and emotions occur, and because thoughts and emotions often relate to memory of the past or anticipation of the future, Tolle says we are never able to truly exist in the present (or the ‘Now’) if we identify with it.
This is not a new idea. The obvious connection is with Buddhism, and more recently, some varieties of existentialism. Schopenhauer wrote about existence and the nature of time in his essay, The Emptiness of Existence:
What has been exists no more; and exists just as little as that which has never been. But everything that exists has been in the next moment. Hence something belonging to the present, however unimportant it may be, is superior to something important belonging to the past; this is because the former is a reality and related to the latter as something is to nothing.
Tolle knows that he is borrowing piecemeal from different philosophies, and using their terminology in an idiosyncratic manner. He defends himself by being patronising:
The mind always wants to categorize and compare, but this book will work better for you if you do not attempt to compare its terminology with that of other teachings; otherwise, you will probably become confused.
Aw, thanks for the warning Eckhart. So if we don’t understand something, it’s because we aren’t trying hard enough?
You haven’t yet grasped the essence of what I am saying because you are trying to understand it mentally. The mind cannot understand this. Only you can. Please just listen.
That’s just a wordier version of the old cop-out, “‘Cos I said so. Ner.”
Theme #3: The body, and whether it is a good thing (the jury’s still out on that one)
Tolle writes that the way to happiness/enlightenment/insert another grand word here is to be present in one’s body. To be present in your body requires you to watch yourself, and be conscious of your breathing, your thoughts, and your emotions. There’s nothing wrong with this sentiment, I think, apart from the ‘enlightenment’ part. There is a calmness which comes with being introverted for a moment and observing yourself.
It seems Tolle is not a spiritualist of the common body-hating variety. He doesn’t buy into the whole body-spirit dichotomy. That’s a good thing. But just as you are starting to empathise with him, he reveals that he does buy into the old, completely erroneous, human-animal dichotomy:
On the level of the body, humans are very close to animals.
Say what?
All the basic bodily functions – pleasure, pain, breathing, eating, drinking, defecating, sleeping, the drive to find a mate and procreate, and of course birth and death – we share with the animals.
You know what I said about him not being body-hating? Scratch that:
When you become identified more with the inner body than with the outer body… you do not accumulate time any more in your psyche and in the cells of your body… So if you inhabit the inner body, the outer body will grow old at a much slower rate.
Is there any scientific evidence for this?
Try it out and you will be the evidence.
Yeah, um. ‘K.
I said at the start of this post that Tolle’s writings caused a few flashes of anger. The quotations above made me cringe, but I still wasn’t feeling real anger. Then, this happened:
Generally speaking, it is easier for a woman to feel and be in her body.
and:
To go beyond the mind and reconnect with the deeper reality of Being, [the qualities needed are] surrender, nonjudgement, an openness that allows life to be instead of resisting it, the capacity to hold all things in the loving embrace of your knowing. All these qualities are much more closely related to the female principle.
I can see Oprah and her fans eating this ‘female principle’ crap right up. But these ideas are not new, not original, not revelations of Tolle’s. The whole male-mind, female-body association has been around for, like, EVER. I’m amazed to see people buying into it in the 21st Century.
But buy they do. Tolle’s books used to be reading material for ex- and wannabe hippies. Now, thanks to Oprah and her goddamn bookclub, his works are being displayed prominently in mainstream bookstores, reaching people who might need real help but will be content, at least for some time, to try out his easy answers and make him rich. 3.5 million copies of Tolle’s latest book, A New Earth, were sold in the month following Oprah’s announcement of its inclusion in her Bookclub.
Getting back to the body and women’s bodies in particular, Tolle has this to say (it’s a long one, but I promise it’s worth it):
The pain-body usually has a collective as well as personal aspect. The personal aspect is the accumulated residue of emotional pain suffered in one’s past. The collective one is the pain accumulated in the collective human psyche over thousands of years through disease, torture, war, murder, cruelty, madness, and so on… Apart from her personal pain-body, every woman has her share in what could be described as the collective female pain-body… The emotional or physical pain that for many women precedes and coincides with the menstrual flow is the pain-body in its collective aspect that awakens from its dormancy at that time… it restricts the free flow of life energy through the body, of which menstruation is a physical expression.
Oh, menstruation is the flow of life energy through the body! Pesky biology teachers forgot to mention! And another question – how does the collective pain-body of men, with all the years of war, famine, disease, etc., manifest itself? Or can it be that Tolle has latched on to something he knows nothing about, and is making completely baseless proclamations? Can it ever. Grr. I have to admit I was suffering from a particularly nasty bout of PMS while I read this book, but I promise my collective pain-body has nothing to do with my disdain for it.
Theme #4: There is nothing more important than personal enlightenment.
Tolle says that the minutiae of day-to-day life like paying bills, going to work, eating and sleeping are meaningless if you are not present in the ‘Now’. This is a clever tactic, although once again, not unique to Tolle – the established religions have been using it for yonks. People don’t want to feel that their lives, or the lives of those they love, are meaningless. So true believers will do all they can to promote Tolle’s philosophies (and books, CDs, etc) to their families and friends. It’s the same as devout but misguided Christians preaching to their friends because they don’t want them to go to hell.
For all his talk of peace and happiness, Tolle also offers an ‘out’ for those people who might be feeling guilty about being self-obessesed and not actually doing anything to help make the world a more peaceful place:
Empathy with someone else’s pain or lack and a desire to help need to be balanced with a deeper realization of the eternal nature of all life and the ultimate illusion of all pain… This also applies if you are supporting a movement designed to stop deeply unconscious humans from destroying themselves.
Tolle apparently thinks there are no such things as innocent victims. They are ‘unconscious’ and ‘destroying themselves’, which makes it ok to ignore them in the quest for your own enlightenment.
Remember: Just as you cannot fight the darkness, so you cannot fight unconsciousness. If you try to do so, the polar opposites will become strengthened and more deeply entrenched… you will create an “enemy”, and so be drawn into unconsciousness yourself. Raise awareness by disseminating information, or at the most, practise passive resistance.
Weak. Unimpressive.
I have probably been in the target demographic for this kind of self-help book in the last few months: middle-class, frustrated at my job, wanting to do something meaningful with my life, and although I wish this wasn’t a factor, female. Even in this somewhat vulnerable state, I found Tolle to be unconvincing. He gives no real answers – he just skims other people’s ideas and regurgitates superficial thought-bytes.
Oprah must be a really confused person, to fall for this.
I will be reading A New Earth when I finally get my hands on it, and will report back. It’s an indication of how many people Tolle is reaching that I’m 23th on the waiting list for it at my library.
Here’s hoping most of them find his work as uninspired as I do.



June 5, 2008 at 11:42 am |
I really don’t know how you survived reading that…
Brain of steel, that must be it. Brain of steel.
June 5, 2008 at 11:53 am |
Nooo! You’ve just given away my secret superhero identity!
June 14, 2008 at 12:13 am |
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June 14, 2008 at 12:26 am |
The problem is that it is getting worse. The few (tens of) thousands who read your blog and think critically compared to the millions who are reading it and saying “that sounds about right” – its like trying to hold back the flood with a water-bucket.
July 18, 2008 at 5:17 am |
You say that Oprah must be confused to fall for this. Is it even within your realm of possibility that perhaps it is you that are confused? Or, if not confused, that your ego self is threatened by this.
Someone once said that people fear what they do not understand, and what they fear they destroy. I would add that if they cannot destroy it, they ridicule it in the hope of getting converts and creating a safety of numbers, thereby easing their own fear.
Your snide responses are exactly the what The Power of Now means by being so identified with the thinking mind, the ego self, that one is incapable of seeing the authentic self that lies beyond that.
Fearful people may continue in control. Personally I don’t think the planet will be a very good place to live if they do (if it’s livable at all). But there is a growing number of people who are awakening from the dream of the ego self. Check out what they have to say as well. Here are some recommendations: Byron Katie, Leonard Jacobson, Adyashanti, Jan Frazier, Gina Lake, Tony Persons, Bob Adams, Gangaji…. Are you getting the picture here? This is only a partial list of just the ones that I know about. Tolle isn’t a get rich quick self help guru and neither are these others.
There is something profound and wonderful happening here. But you must go beyone fear to see. How you live is your choice. But please don’t condemn people whose teachings you do not grasp. Just say you don’t see what the fuss is about and move on. They would not belittle you for your response. Please consider doing them the same kindness.
July 18, 2008 at 11:16 am |
You know your blog is getting good traffic when the patronising, deluded folks who claim to be oh-so-open-minded come out to tell you that you should stop challenging the way they think.
Wakar, your comment made me so angry that I don’t even know where to begin (much like I felt when I read Tolle’s ‘writing’). But let me try:
You give me two options in your first paragraph, as reasons for not liking Tolle’s book: that I am confused, or that my ‘ego self’ is threatened. I have to admit I WAS tremendously confused, but only after reading Tolle’s bad writing and worse thinking. In my usual state, I am pretty sure of what I think and what it would take for me to change my mind (ie., real evidence, not vague meanderings from a hippie relic). As for my tautological ‘ego self’ – I don’t feel threatened by Tolle and his thinking because I find it childish, simplistic, and just plain misguided. I do feel threatened by what seems to be thousands of fairly well-off people who could be doing something useful for the world, spending their money on crap self-help books which tell them that their inner lives/higher selves/blahblahblah are the most important thing. How self-obsessed can you get?
Your second paragraph is reminiscent of Tolle’s borrowing from philosophy/religions before him without giving due credit. I think you’ll find that quote you mentioned comes from the bible. In any case, it is a completely inappropriate quote because those of us who ridicule Tolle are not doing it because we don’t ‘understand’ him (although he tries his best to be incomprehensible with his afore mentioned bad writing and sloppy thinking), or because we ‘fear’ what he has to say. We ridicule him because we are well-read and we realise that he is borrowing piecemeal from various religions and philosophies, and doing so in a very superficial manner. We ridicule him because he has become powerful, just by expounding this dumbed-down version of real thought, which people who don’t like to think lap up like thirsty puppies.
I am snide, I can’t argue with that. But I enjoy being snide. I enjoy playing with words and thoughts, and I enjoy having a mind. I love identifying myself with my mind, because the human mind is an amazing thing. Thankfully those others in the world who love their minds and love using their minds will continue to mock Tolle, because otherwise human existence would be a self-hating, ineffectual, mindless morass. THAT’s the kind of world that would be unlivable.
I had a quick look at the ’spiritual teachers’ you mentioned. I’m sorry, I don’t consider that evidence, and you’re not going to win me over to your way of thinking by just providing a list of other deluded people. If you, or any of these people want to provide me with copies of their work, I’d be happy to read it. But I have better things to spend my money on, and better humans to support with it.
There is plenty in the world that is profound and wonderful: watching a meteor shower, seeing the ocean underwater while scuba diving, watching talented musicians play, or even just sharing a laugh with other people. The ’spiritual teachers’ you mentioned and their spewings are NOT profound (on the contrary, they are extremely superficial) or wonderful (they are not full of wonder at all, but rather, self-hatred and hatred for the real world).
How I live IS my choice, and I don’t need you to tell me that, thanks very much. How you live is also your choice, but it is part of my life to condemn the bad things I see in the world, and I am not going to censor myself simply because you’ve chosen to include those things in your life.
You’ve made an essential error by saying that I don’t ‘grasp’ Tolle’s teachings. I grasp them perfectly well. There’s just not a lot there TO grasp. If you think what he says is all true and correct, then of course you’re going to think that I’m missing something. I don’t often say this, but in this case, you’re just wrong.
I don’t see what the fuss is about – and I thought that’s exactly what I was saying in this blog post.
You say “they would not belittle you for your response”. Calling someone ’snide’, ‘confused’, ‘threatened’, and suggesting they are destructive and fearful – you don’t consider that belittling? I shudder to consider what your idea of an insult is.
July 25, 2009 at 1:12 am |
You are an idiot! Wow so much anger you must living in a sad, insecure, fearful life.
Good luck.
October 7, 2009 at 3:03 pm
What I got from the book, and Eckhart Tolle in general is this. We have all these unconscious verbalizations floating around our mind at every second. They are the same voices that make us insecure, frightened, angry, etc. They define everything we see and do. They are the collective of our entire past experience, our family upbringing, society, etc. An example of this is some people’s “mind” is conditioned to think homework and work in general is bad. So every time they have to do work or homework, they stress out and hate every minute of it. They then can become irritated and take it out on other people etc. This is the mind that he is talking about. Note it can also make us feel happy.
What he goes on to talk about throughout the rest of the book is to shut off the mind chatter so that we become present in our actions without this unhealthy psychology constantly running through our heads.
I don’t know if you know sports psychology, but it deals with the same concept. Shut off the doubts and fears (The mind) and allow your body (Yes it includes your brain) to perform in sync with senses in order to perform at the highest level you can perform. But because it is so difficult to completely shut the brain off, Sports psychology usually says to only say what you want to happen and positive thinking etc.
He talks about many things, but something he goes into is “surrendering”. Which seemed to me to being open to who you truely are. Something deeper than your race, height, job, physical appearance. Something that when you realize or understand, you no longer feel the need to defend yourself or your mental stances on concepts. If someone makes fun of you, there is no need to feel bad about yourself, it is only their own “ego” or mind that feels the need to belittle you for whatever reason.
When you feel this your fear and own insecurities will drop away and you won’t feel anxious, or any misgivings about life.
Anyways that’s what my take was. I felt you had to read it with that context in order to understand it. Kind of like the bible. Jesus said those who know will know more and those who know less will know less. Or something like that.
But to those people defending Eckhart Tolle with name calling. You are just defending a mind attached stance as well. There is nothing here to defend.
I don’t know if anyone understands what I have written, I am not a very good writer myself. But I will leave you with a quote (or close) from Jesus when asked which of the commandments were most important.
Love thyself and the second is love thy neighbor as thyself.
Seriously though he said nothing about gay marriage. HAHA
PS please tell me what you think.
September 28, 2009 at 12:20 am |
For eons, teachers have come along and upset the apple cart of the mainstream. There just happens to be someone in the mainstream (Oprah) that is capable of hearing what Tolle has to say and owns a huge megaphone to amplify it. Tolle is just restating in modern language what spiritual teachers have said for millenia, and that’s all he claims. In your opinion, he is unreadable, while I read him most days. Someone who reads the Koran might find the Bible unreadable, evidently millions of my neighbors find Miley Cyrus listenable. Difference of opinion. Basic spiritual truth was always rejected by some people at the time, and accepted by some other people who were able to hear it. In Buddhism, these are called, “those with just a little dust in their eyes”. But, oh well, you choose your level of suffering. And there is nothing like a bunch of controversy to validate that what a teacher is saying is having some impact.
October 18, 2009 at 10:02 pm |
My roommate has a few friends that are into the whole ’spiritual psychology’ thing (Tolle, among many other whack jobs), and I’m starting to find that it has a lot more in common with organized religion than people think… almost to the point that it masks extremist religious thought:
My primary example being from conversations with her friends one night out and I was told something along the lines of (and further backed up by Wakar’s comment) ‘if you don’t believe and adamantly follow our train of thought, then you are misguided, confused, fearful, etc…” Along with “believing in this is the best path to inner peace and lasting happiness” does this not remind you all of the common religious principle of “Believe entirely in our faith’s teachings or suffer the consequences of hell?” Tolle is playing on the same tactic religions have been using for thousands of years: Believe in this for happiness, otherwise suffer damnation. Any impressionable idiot is going to choose the former out of ‘fear.’
Andy, thanks for going through and reading this book along with your critiques. I find it interesting that Wakar doesn’t address any of your arguments, but instead chooses to degrade you (while claiming you’re the one condemning). It’s just proof as to how giant the void of substance is with Tolle’s shallow philosophy. I say Shallow because it’s a jumbled conglomeration of recycled thoughts and philosophies from all over the world, and all over history. I actually watched a dvd my roommate’s friends brought over (What About Me?), Tolle and others from all over the world made an appearance in it, but just to give you an added idea what millions of idiot Americans are now getting into:
a burly hippie told the story of how when he was four years old, he defecated on the sidewalk and ‘proudly’ went to get his parents to show them the ‘beautiful’ act he did. His parents yelled at him and made him feel ashamed, and thus argued: parents should never scold their kids or make them feel ashamed no matter what the child does, because it could be detrimental to the child’s mental health.
The kid shat on sidewalk. Where’s the most common place the Ebola virus is found? Human feces. It’s why industrialized nations have public sanitation. To say a parent shouldn’t yell at a kid for shitting on public sidewalk is just crazy, negligent, and unsanitary for the child and everyone who lives nearby. It’s laughable, but moreso sad that there are people who were actually swayed by that.
But getting back to your blog.
One of your stronger points is the whole (I’m paraphrasing): ‘if pain-body needs to dump the negative energy accrued by torture, war, etc, which females do by mestruation….how do the men dump the negative energy?’
These giant gaps in logic are why this ‘philosophical trend’ will be short lived, as more intellectual people break down the philosophies, show the gaping contradictions and loopholes, and explain the innumerous flaws in Tolle’s philosophy to the moronic masses following this farce. You’re ahead of the game as this blog was from 2008, but it’s rising in popularity still today.
Want to know one of my many philosophies? The average American isn’t smart. C’s are average. That means there are a lot of idiots in this nation that score in the 70 percentile range and lower. 70s are horrible grades. Everyone I’ve met that follows this are morons, college dropouts, impressionable, and do quite a bit of drugs. No one has been able to competently debate their beliefs, they just rely on the argument that “I’m confused, fearful, tortured, misguided, etc.” They just repeat the talking points of Tolle’s ideology, and then chastise me instead of engage.
I’m strongly against Tolle’s philosophy and that of his associates because one of the people told me they learned it’s bad for rape victims to be mad at the offender, because it’s karma for them raping someone in a previous life. This is what is being taught to people studying ’spiritual psychology,’ of which Tolle is one of the most prominent ’scholars.’ To tell me, a person who has a friend that was raped, say that anyone who has been raped was raped because they did it in a previous life, and that they deserved to be raped for karmic purposes, makes me lose hope in humanity that we are advancing on an intellectual level.
Blatant ignoramuses follow this gargantuan pile of excrement. While I haven’t read this book (and don’t plan to) I saw enough on that DVD, as well as heard through conversations from people studying him, to realize that his words are poisonous to impressionable and confused drug heads battling existentialism for the first time.
July 23, 2008 at 4:43 pm |
Where there is grace, there is NO race…
May 30, 2009 at 1:12 pm |
Thanks for your criticle stance with this D-Bag.
I dislike Tolle and his teachings beacause he tells people basicly that “Your ego is running the show and that is not good, and beacause of that you need to do something about it”
I would rather be an ego driven maniac than surcumb to his retarded philosiphys
Why antagonize the ego??? it is a function of our being is it not? It just a term that spiritualists stole from Freud to use, to create a conversation. Just like religions need the oppisit of good like “The Devil” to spark fear, Tolle needs the ego to spark the fear of not being in control. Ego is not the source of your unhappyness, I dont get it. Really. I dont know what is going on, but I know enough to know that Tolle is full of crap.
I’m not going to say he is completly without merit, and I appreitiate dudes like him cause he instigates discussion and alternatives to convention. Some of his practices I am sure have merit, and have been usfull to me for furthering my comprehention of things.
But even if I’m totally wrong about him and he’s totally right, and that may be so, the guys still as boring as hell, and no fun!!! seiriously have you ever herd him talk? I just want to murder myself. I’d rather hang out with a couple Meth atics, cause at least they would be interesting, instead of sit there and tell me that my brain is the source of all my discomfort and I should learn to get rid of it.
July 23, 2008 at 4:46 pm |
Joe – uh-huh. And?
August 13, 2008 at 2:57 pm |
hey Brain of Steel!
i came back to this blog ’cause Ali got an eckhart tolle book for a birthday present and i didn’t know what to say to her about it (without reading it myself of course) i just vaguely remembered some scathing (and highly amusing – yes i have a strange sense of humour) rant about it.
unfortunately now i realise it’s not the same book, have you read “a new earth” yet? i need some ammunition!
hope you’re feeling better
cheers
mark
August 13, 2008 at 3:08 pm |
I haven’t read “A New Earth” yet – I’m still on the waiting list at the library! Sorry
Maybe you can read it for me, and write something here about it as a guest blogger… it’ll save me from buying paper towels to mop up the brain-bleed, in any case.
August 15, 2008 at 9:23 am |
Hey, I just stumbled upon this website and its pretty cool.. I don’t know who the author “Eckhart tolle” is but, his quotes are most impressive, i don’t know what the other person who keeps interrupting in the middle is trying to prove.. hmm.. i think i’ll go buy his book.. thnx!
August 15, 2008 at 10:07 am |
Dapassion8: thanks for your well-thought-out and meaningful comment. I’m sure you and Eckhart will be very happy together.
September 4, 2008 at 3:51 pm |
So, I was looking for some criticism on Eckhart Tolle, and stumbled across this blog. Thank you, by the way, for wading through the entire book to provide a helpful critique for those of us who couldn’t get past the first chapter.
Incidentally, the phrase “i hate eckhart tolle” only gets about half a dozen hits. Likewise, “eckhart tolle sucks” just gets one. It seems to me that the dearth of criticism for something so well read and practically unintelligible is a little concerning. Is there something in the water?
September 4, 2008 at 4:18 pm |
Thanks for your comment, Cheryl – I get a perverse pleasure from reading this tripe, especially when it seems to be so pervasive and influential.
There is criticism of Tolle out there, but is swamped by the pro-Tolle content. I don’t think there are many skeptics (or folks of a skeptical bent who might not want to be labelled ’skeptics’) who have spoken about Tolle and his writing in particular, which is why I’ve decided to tackle it.
It’s difficult to argue individually against every purveyor of New Age nonsense, but I think Oprah’s endorsement has placed Tolle in a unique position. There are plenty of New Age merchants catering to those who are searching for that kind of thing, but Tolle’s writing has reached a much wider audience thanks to Oprah, which makes him much more dangerous than the others.
I recently borrowed Tolle’s ‘A New Earth’ from my library, so stay tuned for a report on that one!
September 25, 2008 at 9:57 am |
Well, you’ve got a buddy! I hate Eckhart Tolle, too!!!
October 12, 2008 at 1:46 pm |
Ahhhhhh……………The search is over. Scouring this dung pile of an internet for a non theist critique of Egghead Tool has been an opression, yet on I plodded until arriving here in the presence of rationality.
At thanksgiving dinner tonight, ( Canadian), I sat amongst a gaggle of Tolle adherents, who extoled the virtues of the aforemetioned bozo’s plagiarisms
( hmmm….no bibliography included)
I spoke but once at the table, and realized there was no frickin way I could interject logical reason.
I am now on a beer induced mission to educate myself non theistically of available critiques on the perpetuator of self help
October 12, 2008 at 1:54 pm |
Ahhhhhh……………The search is over. Scouring this dung pile of an internet for a non theist critique of Egghead Tool has been an opression, yet on I plodded until arriving here in the presence of rationality.
At thanksgiving dinner tonight, ( Canadian), I sat amongst a gaggle of Tolle adherents, who extoled the virtues of the aforemetioned bozo’s plagiarisms
( hmmm….no bibliography included)
I spoke but once at the table, and realized there was no frickin way I could interject logical reason.
I am now on a beer induced mission to educate myself non theistically with available critiques on the perpetuator of self help $$$$$$$.
Thank you for having the good blue collar fuck you sense approach to dismissing this moron from the ranks of respectability, and of course, for allowing me to see that I am alone here in Canada fighting the good fight.
On the topic of egos: his ego is in good working order to manage his $$$ business affairs.
I shall now return to writing an objection to Critique on Pure Reason
Doug Miller………hic…………
August 25, 2009 at 12:22 pm |
As Tolle says , words can only serve as signposts . If you feel what he writes is true , great , otherwise you just maybe not ready to believe it . He’s free to tell the world what he -and I- feel , sense , believe is the universal truth . To me people who critize this way , with sarcasms and cynicism , just prove him even more right . And don’t forget that Tolle isn’t the only one writing about these spiritual truths today . I’m reading that book right now , and I’ve gotta tell you , as Deepak Chopra says about it , “every sentence rings with truth and power” .
October 12, 2008 at 1:56 pm |
…………hic……………….oops!
October 27, 2008 at 11:47 am |
I just read one person’s account of attending a Tolle lecture in 2003, in which he mentioned that he and the other 1200 people in attendance paid $75 each for admission. Now multiply 75 times 1200. The income from this single lecture was $90,000. You’ve just learned everything you need to know about Tolle.
November 19, 2008 at 1:02 am |
afer enjoying Richard Rohr for a while, I came across this reference to Ekhardt Tolle, who had the same imapct on me as you so rationally and lightly (irreverently -and that’s ok) critique:
http://www.cacradicalgrace.org/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=CFAAC&Product_Code=SP-C-09&Category_Code=MRM&Product_Count=11
You have discovered some of the closed system built into cultish, codependent “reasoning”, which is a thickly disguised double negative: denying the reality of the hard facts of “commonsense” – that tragedy and trauma, loss and death are terrible goads to live the provoked life, not to seek solace in pseudo-intellectual pap. Well, perhaps from someone for whom Tolle is the first teacher in transpersonal states that can bless the relaxation response, it is tempting to bless him as a liberator.
Although I have a weakness for the poetics of the Christain tradition, particularly in some of its more pro-social and pro-biosphere emergent styles, I also have a pro-social skepticism which spices up what i am quite happy to call my “faith journey”. Did you read Wendy Kaminers little book, which also grieves over the loss of many good souls to history by their retreat into quietism and worse: she titles her book “Sleeping WithExtraterrestials: The Perils aof Piety and the rise of the new irrationalism”. She finds Depak Chopra etc etc are all mutually referential mish-mashes and symptomatic of declining enlightenment values, which do not devalue intuition and imagination just because it treasures the methods of reason in all speres of life. Someone should do a study of the audiences of gurus like Mr Tolle – now THAT would be interesting., much more interesting than wading through Tolles rather unhinged discorses. And it can and ought to be coming from the very heart of compassion. Life is an awe-filled Mystery. Tolle is not, thanks to you.
July 16, 2009 at 12:48 pm |
Al is intelligent, well-read, and knows what he’s talking about. But he’s got an ego. His ego thinks his faith journey is better than others. He thinks he’s better than the audiences of Mr. Tolle. He’s more intelligent than many, but not better I assure y’all of that.
July 18, 2009 at 12:15 pm
your ego is directing that statement because you want to be correct.
December 7, 2008 at 10:11 pm |
He prefaces A New Earth by saying that it would be a book of profound transformation or meaningless. I find this holds true with all religious and spiritual texts, not just his books. But regardless of it being the “ultimate truth” or not, I really don’t see how something that promotes and shows how to achieve ultimate inner and outer peace and love (which, if you read into these books, they do) would not be worthwhile.
The fact that the book is repetitive (he even SAYS it is in the book!) and borrows from other religions is no mystery or unknown, even by “followers”. The central message (and ultimate truth) of the book is that you ultimately need no idea, thought, or belief to allow you to be enlightened; that enlightenment is never achieved by THINKING, but by being experienced. (note: *IF* something was pointing to the ‘ultimate’ truth, wouldn’t it share something in common with other things that do the same? It’s not like Buddhisms enlightenment COULD be any different than Tolle’s)
He describes an experience, and ultimately unless a person experiences this “presence”, even briefly, the book will be another bundle of ideas to be agreed with or not… Once you experience true presence, you then don’t ‘believe’ Tolle, you use these words to achieve that state of enlightened existence. (Oddly enough, it is easy to “forget” the feeling; which is you again identifying with the mind in some way)
As I read the end of the first chapter in “A New Earth” I had an awakening in the form of intense awareness and blissful peace.. So I never had a chance to “dispute” his statements, because as I finished reading the first chapter this “presence” became real for me.
/shrug As I read everything else he wrote, and it all made perfect sense because that experience testified for it’s truth; unfortunately, this experience is needed for his teachings to have any true transformative value. For me, now, everything he says seems so completely logical and glaringly obvious that I find it a wonder that some people can’t see this!
I mean, isn’t it obvious through self-observing that the mind constantly projects a future or past? Aren’t people oftentimes “lost in thought” and consequently aren’t very aware of what is going on around them? They then “snap back to reality” and become again more aware of where they are at, etc. Anyway, regardless of whether you believe this enlightenment mumbo jumbo; learning to be more aware of your surroundings, emotions, and thoughts is always a good thing.
July 18, 2009 at 11:11 am |
the entire idea of enlightenment is completely misunderstood and, indeed, missed by Tolle.
December 15, 2008 at 12:29 pm |
Isn’t it patently obvious that there is no ‘mind-less’ observation of mind?
Isn’t it obvious that it is impossible, through reading (a verbal activity of the mind), to escape the power of language and symbolization?
Just how disenchanted have our daily routines become that we actually need someone to sell books telling us that enchantment can be a useful ‘mind-mode’?
December 22, 2008 at 7:45 pm |
I am pretty sure that the jist of the book is clear that it is the ego vs true self battle that is in our best interest to first see then side with that which serves the later.
If just this one application were realized we would likely live in a much more productive world. A by productive I don’t mean the accumalation of more stuff but shift in awareness to that place we have all had a glimpse of from time to time.
Blogs could actually consisit of efforts to bring each other up that trying so hard to tear each other down. No one should expect that any one human will write a book of perfection to satisfy every critic. This book did help me to recongnize the damage to inner peace that the ego ( yours and mine ) ultimately destroys. The spirit of the book was more healing than the errors sought out or pointed out for the gratification of — ..well I’m sure you guessed it … THE EGO. It’s ironic how the Tao starts out with a preface of sorts that maybe Tolle should have stated more clearly than his ( those operating from a fully saturated ego presence .. won’t get it),,, That is The tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao The name that can be named is not the eternal Name.
peace
September 24, 2009 at 4:34 pm |
Jazzdaddy expressed my experience reading Tolle…especially the part of his blog about how “…those fully saturated in ego…” won’t get it.
I have one question for all those on this blog who are so very frustrated and angry. Have you thought to ask yourself, “Why am I so angry?” Follow that question to the end and you may have a glimmer of what people see in Tolle.
I do have to agree with one blogger, I don’t understand why Tolle charges $75. to $100. a ticket.
February 18, 2009 at 8:21 am |
Wow, andsaywedid! Thanks for writing this! I couldn’t agree more. I’d picked up “The Power of Now” several years ago. Couldn’t get through it! (Tried twice!) Then Oprah–bless her–chose “A New Earth”, and I decided to try again. 100 gazillion people can’t be wrong! Couldn’t even get through the first chapter. Point: I completely agree with your analysis.
My question: Have you written anything on Byron Katie? I have the same reaction to her–perhaps even moreso because I find her teachings to be not only insubstantial, but possibly dangerous. Nevertheless, I can find no intellectual criticque of her anywhere! Maybe she *is* as profound as all the hype says she is!
Waiting to hear…
March 1, 2009 at 5:32 pm |
for me having reached menopause and living with a chronic illness which effects the ability to think…….the bit about the female pain body just jumped out of the book and I suddenly stopped trying to read it
I went undiagnosed with my current illness and Ibelieve a part of that was my symptoms (physical) were worse premenstrually and as there was no validation of PMS as a medical condition, I thought that all I needed was psychological help and a new job
the concern about the danger of this book, I think is valid. Chris Northrup’s book on women’s health helped me to take my health problems more seriously and eventually I got diagnosed with a physical condition.
Chris Northrup was on Oprah as well and I do not agree with all her ideas. As a female doctor though, she explains how PMS got to be discounted for so long.
A bloke talking about PMS is probably always going to
trigger a pretty negative response from me…
March 16, 2009 at 8:00 am |
In his most recent book, it’s easy to Eckhart’s arguments as a war against the ego. There’s a perfection in the ego too, and seeing that perfection helps bring us to the present moment. In a war there’s no present moment, only attention on the conflict.
Polaris Rising
April 30, 2009 at 1:07 pm |
I had similar reactions to Tolle’s book, which a friend recommended… nay, insisted… that I read.
While I think Tolle’s writing can be very persuasive and inspiring for lay people with no real experience, I was enraged by the bad science and the sweeping generalizations. The part that got me was an analogy to planetary evolution, when suddenly all the plants started blooming at once – as if this happened overnight instead of gradually over millions of years. Gaah!
Tolle is pretty ignorant, and while his inner struggle was real and I think his insights are real, he doesn’t seem to have much background in science, theology, psychology, comparative religion, or pretty much anything outside of his own skull.
The original post here was snide, but I was right along with it.
FWIW I agree with much of what Tolle is saying, I just think he’s mistaking one tiny sliver of insight for the whole pie.
October 11, 2009 at 8:21 am |
Physician with a degree in both chemistry and biology. A small portion of his books/philosophy have obvious holes and clearly he does not have a deep science background, but his teachings are in step with Bill Wilson, the Buddha, and other spiritual teachers who promote LOVE and understanding. Reading some of these blogs reminded me how pervasive the ego is. Jesus, people, are you a little angry!! So much effort to show the world the flaws of Mr. Tolle. Maybe you could spend some time helping a friend or neighbor. Or maybe you could just do some research on criticizing others. Think about it.
May 3, 2009 at 3:42 pm |
someone gave me this book as a gift and i wanted to like it because it was meaningful to him. i could not get through hardly any of it. red flags started going off in the intro when he was defending himself against his critics with what sounded very much like snide remarks. what kind of guru makes snide remarks?? anyway, it only got worse. i have to say i did question whether my ego was the problem, rather than ET. but the more i considered it, the more i became comfortable with writing him off as a total hack.
i think the danger lies in his flawed presentation of many spiritual ideas (in direct contradiction to, for example, the buddhist idea that people who don’t GET IT shouldn’t talk about the philosophy, because it just tangles everything up even more).
at the same time, if people take some comfort in reading his books, i’m not going to fault them for it. and hopefully he does something beneficial with the money he makes.
thanks again for your post!
May 28, 2009 at 5:58 pm |
Just read your article today. Thank you first of all for putting a smile on my face. I wanted to get some background for a book I’m writing about a 19th century mystic and thought I might look at Eckhart’s stuff for some inspiration. Unfortunately for him, I happened on your website first. Phew!!!
It does sound like a hodge podge of eastern mysticism and new age bollocks. I’ll go back to the original sources instead. Thanks for saving me a few hours.
Have you ever tried reading Ryuho Okawa’s Essence of Buddha? (name sounds like it should be a perfume).
I had to give up half-way through, it was not even annoying enough to keep me reading.
May 29, 2009 at 2:06 pm |
I read ‘A New Earth’ – didn’t agree with all he wrote – didn’t understand a lot of it. But the book has been helpful.
His discussions on ego opened my mind to my own ego – that can’t be bad.
Also the mental chatter stuff – I have endless thoughts running through my mind also – I didn’t realize they were so unproductive – which they are most of the time – at least for me. I’ve asked others if they have them too – they say they do.
Stopping to enjoy the moments. I haven’t done that very much before – but I’m doing it now – especially with the grandkids.
Stop thinking: I find it hard to shut down my mind. I can do it for maybe 30 seconds – then the chatter starts up again.
I haven’t been able to contact my spirit. I don’t know if that’s possible.
All in all it was worth reading – at least for me.
wellberr
May 30, 2009 at 11:13 pm |
After reading this post attacking Eckhart Tolle, it’s so obvious it’s coming from the egoic mind. Eckhart message is not hard at all. I wonder why you couldn’t grasp it at all. We all can see the ego that traps us in incessant thinking. We all have experienced suffering caused by the pain-body. The Power of Now is really such a clear, obvious and yet so powerful book. Rightly said, it’s a companion for a lifetime. Maybe you need to re-read it.
Or maybe you haven’t experienced enough suffering so far in life that it burns up your ego. Maybe someday, you’ll look back at what you wrote in your blog and awaken to the truth of your own over-analytical mind.
To everyone else, I’d just like to say… if you have any intuitive impulse to read The Power of Now., go ahead! You are ready to awaken.
September 24, 2009 at 4:46 pm |
It’s true Fragrance, you do have to have suffered to understand him. He mentions this in fact in the Power of Now, saying you would not be reading his book if you have not suffered.
June 17, 2009 at 6:38 am |
Thank you for your intelligent discourse on the BS of ET. I close a book and put it down when red flags start flying left and right, and I did not get far in Tolle’s book. It is one of several I was glad to have endured the library waiting list for, so I don’t have to put a 25¢ sticker on it at my next garage sale.
Anytime someone in essence says “don’t check me out” . . . RUN, don’t walk, to the nearest exit.
June 18, 2009 at 8:06 pm |
Reading Tolle was good.., so too was this blog. I can now choose what to accept or reject.
June 21, 2009 at 10:33 am |
I’m amazed at the small-minded criticisms of Tolle on here. Maybe his teachings are not right for you at this time but why attack the guy? While I don’t buy everything he says at this time, I do believe that he has a lot of insight that I can learn from. One thing that you have to admit is that the way we have been doing things hasn’t served us well. Our current mindset has brought us war, poverty, corporatism, concentration of wealth and power, totalitarianism, environmental distruction, etc. How ego-centric are you guys to think that you can’t learn anything from him when your mindset causes so much suffering? I personally hope that Tolle can wake up enough people that we can truly have the Age Of Aquarius.
August 29, 2009 at 10:54 pm |
Even if there was insight in Tolle’s book, it would be quite dangerous to assume that the book can indirectly do miraculous things for us. Once we become too attached to a cluster of beliefs, we might find out it’s too late to undo the damage. It is especially dangerous when these ideas contained in Tolle’s book are unsupported by any evidence which is independent of his prejudices.
August 31, 2009 at 9:13 am
This is what concerns me and scares me… if it may be too late to undo the damage…
June 21, 2009 at 11:24 am |
CAn you read this book (or whatever anybody has to say) and not make a judgement on it? It’s sad to say, but the person who wrote this article already had their mind made up before they even opened the book. Clear your mind, then “listen; you may hear something you never heard before.
September 24, 2009 at 4:57 pm |
Exactly my feeling. I kept waiting for the author to say, I just don’t like Tolle, which would have been honest anyway. That I could respect.
June 23, 2009 at 4:19 am |
I believe ET’s insights on some of Jesus’ teachings are worth exploring. We ALL bring something to the party! That said, I don’t believe any living man who claims to be a true spiritual healer for personal profit, and take much of what ET writes with a huge grain of salt. That is not my ego, that is common sense. You don’t need ET to point out the value of NOW. Just watch a child at play, or go out on a nature hike, or just listen to music.
June 26, 2009 at 2:56 am |
Hi folks
Was browsing and came across your site.
I think Tolle is pretty much on the money. I am not so sure why you get so caught up and angry with it. Is it because it rings a bell with you and then you want to stamo it out? Or maybe it is your instaiable need for truth.
Id say one thing about “THOUGHT.BAD” I never read that it was bad. Isnt it true that a lot of thought is like a program just repeating itself, going round and round. If one can step back one gets a sense of the self beyond that – but is afraid of not being the boss. I suggest this is what the big reaction is and why you give the book so much importance even though you claim to hate it.
Im predicting the replies already..
bye
June 26, 2009 at 2:09 pm |
I would like to add, however, that I hope Tolle and his followers are right about a new earth unfolding in our life time. Just as it would be great if the 2012 folks are right about a profound new human consciousness evolving according to their interpretation of the Mayan calendar. Until then, I will do my best to follow Jesus’ Golden Rule: Do unto others as you would have others do unto you. For no change in consciousness means much if all it does is give a select few a sense of spiritual superiority.
Humility and wonder, I believe, must not be usurped by
another form of pride and self righteousness among the self-proclaimed “highly evolved” devotees of New Age theology.
August 29, 2009 at 10:57 pm |
…There is no evidence to suggest that any special event will happen in 2012. Look up this website
http://www.universetoday.com/category/2012/
for more details.
June 28, 2009 at 7:53 am |
Eckhart Tolle’s book is not self-help. It is New Age. Although it does help alot of people. People don’t “buy” into his marerial. They either know meditation is as real as it gets, or they know nothing of it. The idea of it being mumbo jumbo is one view held only from those who are a bit too scientific and materialistic. Also, learn to pronounce Tolle’s name right before you write an article about him. Its Tol-le like Tolly, not like Tole.
July 1, 2009 at 10:33 pm |
Sounds like Fragrance drank the Kool-Aid. What I resent about a lot of this is the presentation of it. I am sure Eckhart is a nice guy and some of his ideas are grand – borrowed or not. To present them as newly found ideas, revelations, whatever, with the fancy lingo and deliberately vague diction – much like horoscopes – does little for me. Shit by any other name would smell as foul.
I could probably write a small essay about all the wisdom in Shakespeare’s writing (or any other writer of that renown) that states nearly the same that ET does, but the egoists who read it are not going to eat it up like they do ET because they can’t shell out the $ to be on Oprah’s train, they can’t claim the elitist feeling.
I submit that the average Hindi is probably happier than all the readers of ET combined, having read and understood only the collected writings of that religion all his life.
July 8, 2009 at 2:58 am |
I have a life-altering medical condition and it sometimes gets me down. I went to a therapist to see if I could learn some coping strategies during these low periods. She suggested reading The Power of Now. It’s taken five days to read 51 pages. Now I’m irritated, exhausted, and annoyed – and I owe it all to Tolle. Thank goodness I used a gift certificate to buy the book; I’d hate to spend my own hard-earned dosh on it.
And to think I put aside a really good Charles Dickens to read this dreck!
July 12, 2009 at 5:33 am |
andsaywedid, you have a great mind. the intro to the power of now should have been your first warning. only on earth can you spend two years “sitting on a park bench” like aqualung, then decide to guide people through the same process you went through to have a nice schizophrenic subject-object fusion and call it enlightenment. im glad all the idiots who are stupid enough to fall for this crap are lapping it up like so many puppies. there will be a lot more room for the rest of us “painbodies” once they make their long awaited ascension
July 16, 2009 at 11:38 am |
You idiots don’t know how to read a spiritual book. You can’t and are not supposed to analyze or try to understand it, because you won’t. The enlightened state transcend all thought and understanding.
The thing is, you don’t have to understand it to believe it. You just have to persevere, and have some faith. Because once you experienced spiritual enlightenment, you’ll KNOW the truth first hand. Your dumb mind still won’t be convinced; but at that point you realize how confused your mind is.
It’s easy to sit and criticise. It takes lots of courage to let go of your need to be convinced, to tread on faith and face your ego in what you will realize to be an epic battle. And you shall discover the truly satanic nature of the beast.
July 18, 2009 at 12:17 pm |
“idiots”
“dumb mind”
=criticism
August 29, 2009 at 11:04 pm |
Unfortunately, it implies we will never come to a conclusion over any issue whatsoever. It’s a way of saying “I give up understanding how the universe–and by extension myself–works, with honesty.” And it’s a good idea to know the beast [and not by sheer faith] before doing any battle with it…because it may hurt.
September 4, 2009 at 10:12 am |
Well said Johnny, to the mind it makes no sense, only the Divine within you can recognize the power of Tolle’s words.
July 17, 2009 at 9:35 am |
snide=emotional pain.You relish it, value it. Probably the only way you can feel that you actually exist that you’re alive. Your choice….
July 17, 2009 at 5:04 pm |
I tried to listen to this man (youutube)and could not follow a single sentence. He laughed and the audience he was speaking to laughed not in response to what he said, but because he laughed. His sentences sounded like gibberish. If I am unenlightened and over-analytical for not following this person who spews gibberish all the way to the bank then so be it.
July 20, 2009 at 2:16 am |
I’m only 19, but for most of my life, my thoughts have been telling me that I’m stupid, ugly, useless, etc etc. I considered suicide many times. It wasn’t until I read Eckhart’s book that I realized that the thoughts in my head aren’t me. They’re just thoughts. They’re just remnants of old pain, and I choose not to identify with them anymore. I realize now that I am the awareness that is watching these crazy thoughts take place. I am so grateful for this realization, and have never been happier.
August 29, 2009 at 11:06 pm |
That’s good! It would be better, though, that you gave credit to yourself, rather than to Tolle, for making it through the darkness.
August 31, 2009 at 9:11 am
I agree. Maybe you needed the little push, but ultimately you made the decision on your own. Congratulations and good luck!
July 21, 2009 at 1:45 am |
What better way to preempt any criticism of your book than to make your book be all about how shameful it is to think critically.
July 22, 2009 at 8:45 am |
What a pleasure it was to find this blog! My spouse read “A New Earth” six months ago and she’s been pressing me to read it. She said she found much to relate to in the book, both for herself and for the troubles we’re having in our relationship. She feels that our problems are the result of our “pain bodies” getting in the way of our emotional health. Finally caving in to the pressure, I started reading it.
It is only a minor exaggeration to say that it made my brain hurt. I find Tolle’s writing style to be exceedingly repetitive and unengaging. I read for pleasure and enlightenment (and sometimes to relax) but this book only makes me anxious and frustrated. I told my wife that after having read halfway through it, I was not finding it particularly beneficial. She reacted very negatively to my comment, but that was not unexpected, as she has lived on a steady diet of self-help books for most of the 10 years I’ve known her. She has flaunted her own ability to rise above the pain body and cites me as the obstruction for progress in our relationship. To put it mildly, by not getting on board with Tolle, she is most unhappy with me.
I respect my wife’s desire to dig deeply and understand what makes her unhappy, however I can’t help but think that a year from now, her devotion to Tolle’s teachings will be supplanted by a new Flavor-of-the-Month endorsed by Oprah Winfrey. Seven years ago, at my wife’s insistence, we both read a book by Oprah’s chum, Dr. Phil. When we tried to work through the exercises, chaos ensued and we nearly broke up because she didn’t care for my starkly honest answers in the exercises.
In order to satisfy a promise, I will get to the end of the book, at which time I will be expected to sit down with my wife and discuss it. It’s an assignment that I sincerely dread. Trust me, folks…it won’t be pretty. If I survive the experience, I’ll report back.
July 23, 2009 at 2:14 am |
I found the Power of Now by accident in audio form. It struck me as relevant and useful. (Note: It doesn’t all have to be, just like there are some crap bits in classic songs yet folks still like and relate to those classic songs. Also, many songs use the same chords but everything else is different which similarly makes it reasonable that Tolle borrows from existing ideas). The fact that you honestly admit you had trouble starting critiquing is testimony to your gaining something from your Tolle experience and it likely wasn’t a trivial amount because here we are writing about it. Anyway, I am not religious but have been surrounded by faith-based individuals and atheists alike all my life. Science is a kind of faith also but I don’t reject it’s goals. What I did come to understand in the Power of Now at least was where these people _could_ be coming from and why I don’t feel the same way. Beyond that, I don’t need to quote anything to get value from it because I read it and understood something he said that related to me in the moment when I heard it. I then parked that and left it for when the situation arises again or discarded it when it wasn’t useful. Any recognition of what I now consider relevant was pretty much only for how I feel now which is useful now. The title is in itself a good lesson and who could deny that the now is not important. Some people call it an investment to do something now and you get to choose what the investment is and where it goes. You don’t need to even leave your seat to invest in something and that I find quite workable! I am happy to leave it at that and move on with practical life where at the very least can observe myself outwardly because I realised I could and could want to. It could be useful. Tolle suggests you might want to and that’s the point. Why wouldn’t you want to? It appears that you and I define ourselves in part by this blog but really we didn’t need to write anything. That’s another observation you could take or leave. Thanks
July 28, 2009 at 3:54 am |
The stuff Tolle is talking about has been known in the East for thosands of years. He just put it together in the format accessible to the average reader. People in the East have been meditating their entire lives trying to go beyond the mind. And you think just becuase you read the book you understand what he is talking about. I think you are in a very deep sleep my friend to exert so much energy to criticize someone. It sounds like Tolle’s mind is vast as a infinite sky, whereas your mind is just like the clouds. Clouds pass, the sky remains forever. No wonder you don’t understand what he is talking about……
August 1, 2009 at 11:37 pm |
I understand you’re meant to criticize, and you’re job is to TRY to be witty, funny and and intellectual, but I’d like to offer some criticism of my own, if thats okay.
Now, I have not read your whole post, but I can offer critique on what I have read.
First, you say that ego is a part of being human, but so is evolution. What Tolle is stating is that breaking PAST the ego is EVOLUTION. I mean, humans ain’t going to grow other limbs, because there is no reason for that. We have fully physically adapted to planet Earth. The one thing holding us back? Our mind. Evolution doesn’t just stop once you become a human, it continues until we are extinct.
Also, he is not saying the ego is completely useless, he is telling you not to let it rule over you or get stuck in the egoic state. Through the whole book he says this, you must not of read any of the 50234 times he states that, or else your just trapped in your mind and it went over your head. Either way, I’m tired and I’m beginning to think you’re hopeless, so I’ma leave it at that.
August 29, 2009 at 11:14 pm |
That is mistaken. Evolution does occur still in human beings in body, as well as mind. If that weren’t the case, then we would have died of diseases at a much faster rate. Our immune system evolves continuously to catch up with the pathogens. Vaccines exploit this feature of the immune system.
August 7, 2009 at 10:21 am |
My boyfriend is going through some major life changes and stumbled upon these “teachings”. For the last 5 months, we cannot have a single normal conversation because all he wants to talk about is his own ego and crying over the infinite beauty of a cat. He has cut off contact with his friends and his family and has very gradually lost any sense of affection. He then also claims that when I say I am hurt by this, it is my own ego reacting and that he has no responsibility over this, in other words, I’m causing my own suffering just because I have the “insane” desire to know that my boyfriend, who used to say he loved me, cares for me. But I hold the “same place” as the neighbor, as the rock outside, or as the mailman. I am no more important than anyone else, and nobody else is more important than me.
At first I read up on this, I watched the videos, and I participated in the conversations. But I don’t see how sitting in a chair staring out the window for 4 hours is “living in the present”. Instead of staring at the mountain and thinking “oh, nature is beautiful, except beautiful is just a word and words are poor tools to fully express what beauty really is”, living the moment to me would be getting UP and going to climb the mountain. Experience it. Smell it, taste it, live it.
There is never anything wrong with listening to new ideas or debating deep questions in life. But these kind of thoughts are dangerous. There are much more productive ways of recognizing the little things, carpe diem, etc, that do not inflict this amount of pain on those that the “enlightened one” claims to love. Because it’s not just me. It’s towards his family. It’s towards his life long friends. Suddenly, this truly generous and giving and kind person no longer asks (or seems to care) about the lives of others, and often seems so self righteous and condescending because he is “discovering truth” and oh poor you, you are obviously not ready to awaken, you need to suffer more in life before you are ready to join this elitist mentality.
This is more than being in the now or not, more than enjoying the present moment or not, more than feeling alive or not. You do not need to read a book to know that life is a gift. You do not need to cut off contact with people around you to pursue this hedonistic “quest” for “self”. Life involves the inevitability of human drama. Mentally convincing yourself that you can avoid drama always is impossible. But what you CAN control is how to DEAL with the drama.
I have never felt more lost or confused, and I feel like not only am I loosing my boyfriend and all the good that comes with the connection you have with a special person like that, but also that he is blindly throwing away so many great and positive things in his life just because he stumbled upon these ideas when he himself was lost and needed something to hold on to.
I’m scared for him, for me, for his family and his friends. If I were to post some of the things he has said, you would never think it came from a person who had any connection to reality or his feelings. These kinds of ideas are perfect if you want to escape responsibilities towards others, escape making difficult decisions, and most of all, to escape all criticism. It’s all just a defense mechanism. But the difference lies in running away from what you must deal with, and facing it. Facing it takes balls. This philosophy promotes self indulgence and the misguided sense that it’s ok to believe (and at the same time, not believe… which results in eternal confusion) anything… or nothing.
And if this really were “the” way to live… does that justify hurting someone else to this degree?
This situation is still happening, and I’m feeling very low at the moment due to it. I am choosing to leave this post in hope that in sharing a personal experience, others can see how dangerous these cult like teachings can be, and how much they can damage the person and their relationships. And I would also truly appreciate if I could find a shoulder to lean on and some kind words of encouragement or support, either here or via email. It’s overwhelming to deal with this on my own.
Thank you. And here’s hoping none of you will ever have to go through what I am going through.
August 7, 2009 at 3:48 pm |
Eckhart Tolle strikes me as being the real article –as far as traditional Enlightenment goes. I got half way there many years ago and understood enough to, ever since, appreciate others who seem to have seen it. It sounds like gibberish to people (such as the author of this site) who tend to EXPECT nonsense from the religious-minded and who don’t have at least their foot half in the door to the “other side” (as I have been fortunate to have had). I think we are probably at an irreconcilable divide. Space being short, let me just say that I am a physicalist. “Spiritual” substances such as souls, ghosts, and all the other stuff are misunderstandings on the part of our ancestors (just like the notion of a fixed Earth) that at the time seemed reasonable. But we now know they are false. The initial “perception” of God (in Enlightenment) similarly seems to be the perception of a spiritual entity, but on reflection (on my part, at least) seems to be more along the lines of a radical idea that (like an interesting scientific hypothesis) seems to have a great deal of explanatory power. The difference is that THIS idea is so strange and foreign to everyday thinking, that when you start talking about it (like Tolle does, at length –and very articulately), it comes out sounding like nonsense to those of a critical mind. Someday neuroscience will find a way of stimulating the neurons (or whatever) in a person’s brain that will give them the experience that Tolle is talking about. THEN we can all talk about it (and maybe even argue to dismiss it as a screwy experience), but until then, we’re not really all on the same page. But I would predict this, when you do get the experience, and then read or hear Tolle, you will say to yourself, this guy really has it together.
August 10, 2009 at 8:02 pm |
I appreciated your critique of Tolle’s writings because I too experienced the red flags while reading. I was looking for some coping strategies in dealing with my very difficult teenagers, and as I read I became more and more convinced that this guy has no idea what it is like to deal with diffiuclt family conflicts. In fact, the “New Earth” book instructs us to follow three ways to align our lives: acceptance, enjoymnet, and enthusiasm. If we cannot at least experience acceptance, than we should stop. Stop what? Stop being a parent? Stop trying to help? In any case, my skeptism was alos validated by an article that appeared in the NY Times which mentioned that very little is known about Tolle’s background. It seems he has not had to sustain too many relationships himself. It seems easier to buy into this stuff when you don’t have so many family members tugging at you life, and trying to deal with it all. I think he would be more believalbe if he had more ties to the world than his one live-in girlfriend/business partner. How convenient.
September 24, 2009 at 5:27 pm |
Very good point. I too have thought how easy it is to practice your beliefs in a vacuum…how easy it is to write about how to cope without immersing yourself in life…marriage, family, career.
Even with that, I have taken away some valuable coping strategies from Tolle…being aware of my ego wanting what it wants…letting go of past presumptions helps me stay in the moment and see what needs to be done now…none of this is particularly new and I cannot explain why I connect with Tolle…
he did not promote himself or his book in the beginning.
The beginning was inauspicious. People began spreading the word about this book, The Power of Now…it grew organically, from the roots up, not from a national marketing campaign down. His words, however circuitous the logic, or however borrowed the themes are, is quenching a spiritual thirst, answering a silent cry for help in a world gone mad.
August 13, 2009 at 2:05 am |
I found reading all of these comments even more interesting than the actual blog. it seems like a whole bunch of people are looking for fuel for the fire.
I just hope everyone here will read the comment made by Lauren. how can all these people criticize something that has helped so many people?
August 16, 2009 at 4:24 pm |
I actually love Tolle’s material. I think it’s a work of genius and I’ve found it a very valuable source of insight expressed through, what I consider, a very simple (thus user friendly) yet comprehensive model of human psychology. I can also understand how, as Eckhart clearly confesses, this material is not for everyone.
I’ve been reading through some of these responses and it causes me to appreciate the spectrum of opinions and responses that can ensue, out of the WHOLE of humanity, as the INDIVIDUALS we are, from any ONE body of work or experience.
Bless all who don’t think like me for you call me to remain aware of the possibility of the accidental establishment of my own arrogance and of the limits that could have been set by my ignorance.
This is a great place . . . this planet Earth! Heheheh ,,, I’m an idiot : P
August 21, 2009 at 2:56 pm |
For those who are critical of Tolle – if your life makes you happy as it is – well then carry on! Where does all the negative anger for this guy come from?
For those of you into Tolle… just be happy and don’t try to make converts of anyone… just enjoy your new life and don’t try to argue. I cannot see Tolle getting very upset or argue about this truth or that one.
And both groups should be honest and say that neither of ‘you all’ are perfectly happy and maybe you could continue to be open to learning and growing. “…if it makes you happy… then why the hell are you so sad?”
August 29, 2009 at 11:23 pm |
Tolle’s advice is not suitable for everyone. Advice-giving is an old art, but it takes someone with experience to give good advice. That’s why we are concerned about the largely uncritical buyers of the books, as his advice may not help in their particular situation.
We are not sad people, though. It’s that we care about the welfare and happiness of others that drives us towards being critical of these works.
August 24, 2009 at 3:08 pm |
Hi,
As a recovering alcoholic with 11 years sober I personally tend to seek out spiritual avenues I wouldn’t find in a damn church. I don’t read any sort of self-help stuff except when someone recommends something to me. So why am I here?
Because I’ve read and reread both the power of now and New Earth and I am looking for any flaws in them. The only flaw or doubts I have is in circular logic, or perhaps the idea of observing thought- how the hell do you do that without the observing being part of the thinking?? While my mind thinks as much, however, the idea of stopping the incessent mental chatter and pausing, waiting for thoughts to come might be a point where this is possible.
Also in doubting validity of any written work of a spiritual nature I can usually dismiss something fairly quickly if it conflicts with the 12 steps of the AA program. Ekhart doesn’t seem to do so and further seems to encompass pretty much the entire AA program. Reading the posts above I would be pretty surprised if better than half of you aren’t suffering from some form of addiction.
August 28, 2009 at 2:55 am |
I just finished reading A New Earth. I wrote notes in the margins. I researched the quotes. I came to the conclusion that Mr. Tolle has indeed written nothing more than a mish-mash of Eastern philosophies and a misreading of Christian teachings. He misquotes Jesus, takes His words out of context, and when claiming that Buddha (among others) “was the first to recognize” this or that he disregards the Old Testament completely. I think Moses, Abraham, and others predate Buddha by a few years, no?
Circular reasoning, oversimplification, and a reliance upon either-or situations (I am above or below my children, never equal) made me want to throw the book across the room in disgust. Of course, since I disagreed with his arguments and conclusions I must be suffering from the pain-body.
One would be better served (and finished faster) to read James, the sermon on the mount, and Alcoholics Anonymous to understand selfishness, ego, and self-will run riot, and how best to avoid these things that hold us back from happiness. All Mr. Tolle does is rehash these simple ideas in Eastern (and therefore, apparently, more spiritual) phrases. It’s an old trick. Don’t fall for it.
August 28, 2009 at 9:16 am |
Love this blog! Several people recommended “A New Earth” to me. It. Was. Anger. Inducing. **RAGE** It gave my fella a ton of material for our blog tho!
Tolle’s pop-new-age crap and self importance just make me want to smoosh his face with my new rocks. He really gives self-improvement a bad name. Fucking lightworkers…etc..rawr
September 24, 2009 at 5:37 pm |
I am amazed over and over again how those who disagree with Tolle, are not able to just do that, disagree, but are so angry, they want to throw the book across the room…they use foul language – Gehenna – above.
The attacks are so hostile it resembles the situation where addicts are confronted with the facts of their addiction – their only defense is denial and turning the hostility back onto those who are no longer willing to play the games that enable an addict to live his self delusion.
August 28, 2009 at 10:16 am |
Great blog!
The only “power” I found in The Power of Now, is the power to angry up the blood.
Synchronistically as I was getting ready to reply, the song I was listening to went…
“The seed of ignorance is born
Thou shalt not think; thou shalt conform!
Cling to wasted beliefs and visions
And bathe in apathy again
No solution, the retribution
Of spiritual sickness begins.”
I think you and Warrel Dane summed up ol’ Eckhart better than I could have, heh.
The ego is not the problem. The problem is that the people loading it with poisonous conditioning are generally the same ones telling us to get rid of your mind and will, and join the passive, easily led, Oprah-watchin’ zombie horde.
Stop demonizing the ego and figure out how to *use* it.
August 28, 2009 at 12:37 pm |
Gehenna!
Get yourself into anger management therapy before you implode.
Call NOW!
August 29, 2009 at 4:43 am |
Dude, no way! Then who am I supposed to sic upon my foes?!
August 28, 2009 at 4:21 pm |
Hey dudes.
Thomas, glad to hear the Tolle is working for you man. And props for staying sober for 11 years. But dont assume that if I dont like Tolle that means I have addiction issues.
Maybie I look at to much porn, I’ll give you that. But I’ll be honist, Tolle makes me angry cause he offers me a model that does not reflect how sublime my life has been. His explination for life is drab and depressing. My hardships mean allot to me, and I feel its cheap to blame it all on the ego.
I do not disagree the ego is important, and it is wise to be aware of how it operates. But I mean more in the Carl Jung sense of understanding the ego, rather than the Tolle sense of deamonizing ego..
I am happy it works for you Thomas, and all else who get lots out him. I personally am just an angry guy, beacause I’m tired of meeting people who think they are, you know, “enlightend”…. when I can tell they are repressing all there genuine emotion.
We’re emotional beings baby, fighting the ego wont make it any easyer to be human. Meditating and quieting the mind, I respect that, I advocate that. But not to obolish the feelings or the mind, but to awknowledge and understand them.
Eckhart to me is a passionless robot,who seeks to quiet the mind in order to control pain.
Talking about addictions dude. I bet if you met Eckhart, I’m sure you’d find that he is addicted to acting like an “enlightend being”
We all know in actuallity life is a far more diverse experiance, dynamic and complex than to just one day simpily attain enlightenment.
WTF is enlightenment anyways?
And how can you “Not be in the Now”??? if your thinking of some far away place, or some potential future. You are still operating in the Now are you not??
August 30, 2009 at 3:10 am |
I agree with you, Eric,
The way I see my bf acting, he makes it seem like we should all cut ties with family, friends, and people in general because creating any emotional ties with undoubtedly bring “suffering” at some point. Yes, this is true. It’s the risk you take with any other human being. But like Eric said… we ARE emotional beings. We ARE rational beings. So instead of denying that, repressing that to go back to ‘animal’ state where we just “accept” everything as it is and never look for anything more. But instead of looking at human relationships focused on the negative (it will all bring suffering!) why not remember that it also brings immense joy?
Being “enlightened” or not is just another way for humans to inflate their ego (ironic for ones so set on ‘taming’ it) to feel superior to others. This is not why we are here on the earth.
“The greatest thing you’ll ever learn is just to love and be loved in return”
I’m still struggling with my bf, and it’s bringing me immense amounts of the oh-so-feared suffering. I may be very depressed about it, but at least I’m not afraid to FEEL it or SHOW it. I just hope he and I can find a way to find each other again. Any support or productive words of advice would be GREATLY appreciated. Thanks.
August 30, 2009 at 3:19 pm |
Butterfly..thank you for expanding on what I was saying in a most graciouse, intellegent and thoughtful way.
I fully appreitiate where your comming from, cause feelings are so hard to process at times. And we will turn to almost anything to help us to deal with hurt. When I truly belive, the best remedy for hurt, is compassion and understanding. Tolle does not speak of these things. He seeks to resolve the issues of the mind by dissasociating the ego and the self, thats not nirvana. I agree with him as far as the value of being introspective, and awarness. But to appeal to be in a state of “no-thing-ness” why???
You pro Tolle people…has that really worked for you? Do you have so little faith in yourself that you belive you must detatch from everything to beacome enlightend. As long as you are conflicted over yourself…..your ego..you will be fighting, even if your objective is to escape it. Cause that is what Tolle teaches…escape from the ego from feelings. I most certaintly agree with Butterfly when she says:
“The greatest thing you’ll ever learn is just to love and be loved in return”
But what if you could be counsiouse of ego, without condeming it?? What if you could understand your ego and allow it to be with out dissowning it. Your ego is not the problem, I think life is just challenging. But it can be great
Butterfly, I’m feel for you and your situation with you man freind. And I am happy we are on the same page. I dont know if I can offer any grand words of advice….but I belive that you will be just fine however the situation plays out. You’ll be ok in the end…and I fully appreitiate where you are comming from, and who you are.
August 31, 2009 at 2:47 am |
[...] Eckhart Tolle: A dangerously ridiculous little man who declares, “Thinking has become a disease” and shows that he has nothing to worry about himself with his New Age hodge podge of clichés. Oprah shills his 10-month course from Larry King to the web. It contains such worthless gems as: The pain-body consists of trapped life-energy that has split off from your total energy field and has temporarily become autonomous through the unnatural process of mind identification. – Eckhart Tolle [...]
August 31, 2009 at 4:49 am |
Hello again,
With all due respect to everyone here, I would like to ask how the following statements or beliefs can honestly work in real life:
“I do not see you as HAVING a life, I see you as BEING life. Therefore it is meaningless to ask about what you or for you to ask what I do. What I do does not make me who I really am”
My viewpoint. Yes, we are life, but we also have a say on what kind of life that gets to be. And isn’t wanting to know about someone else’s activities or thoughts or feelings just a simple way of showing you care? If I told you all that I did not find ANYTHING that any of you do important, does that not hurt a little?
“Words are just tools. They are pointers, but do not fully express what we mean. This is why I no longer say things like ‘I’m sorry’ or ‘I love you’”
Yes, sometimes it feels like words are not enough or you can’t find the right ones… but human beings have not been developing languages for thousands of years for nothing just to come to the conclusion that all that work and evolution ultimately means nothing. Words are used precisely to describe what we do, see, and feel. If you have trouble finding the right words, just take a moment and think about it. And if you say ‘I’m sorry’ or ‘I love you’ with meaning, then there is no hidden higher meaning. Saying and hearing those words is monumental.
And regarding the ego, what drives it, what tempts it, etc…
I believe it is important to realize and understand that you have an ego, that many times it causes you to act a certain way or do a certain thing or say certain words, all of which may not be entirely desirable or kind or productive (for example, act superior because you feel ‘better’ than others, give into a one night stand even though you have the choice of being faithful, or saying that one has no responsibility for words that may hurt others). And correct me if I misunderstood it, but the feeling I got from the Tolle philosophy regarding the ego is contradictory. Ignore the ego, and do what you want to do, but think about it and you “feed” it.
I’m sorry… but if once you’ve acknowledged that you have an ego, come to terms that you cannot separate it from you, then why not just be aware that it’s there and when a situation arises where you feel it pulling you, just take control over it? Our minds, thoughts, and will power are so amazing, so strong. If you make up your mind, you can stop being superior, be faithful, and be humble enough to recognize your effect on others and how to apologize. Like any addiction, it’s hard, yes. How many people say they can’t quit smoking, can’t quit drinking, etc… and yet how many people actually do, based solely on their will power?
However, my biggest issue is this lack of feelings thing. Everything is nothing, and nothing is everything. You are no more important than anyone else and no one else is more important than you. To me, this is just avoidance. If I convince myself that everything is “neutral” perse, then maybe I can “protect” myself from pain or disappointment. But I will also miss out on so much life. So much love.
I think it comes down to very simple basic principles.
Appreciate what you have, and show that appreciation.
Thank people for what they do for you.
Take advantage of every new opportunity.
If you work hard at something, it will pay off.
If anything, we have been “conditioned” to see feelings, sadness and anger as bad or undesirable things. I’m not saying I’m particularly enjoying this current sadness I’m in… but you learn from it all. If anything, I’m learning how to show my feelings and reach out to others. Because we are all interconnected. And that is beautiful. If only he could see this…
Eric, thanks for the support. Please know that I appreciate it more than you might know. And thanks to everyone else for reading.
September 1, 2009 at 1:46 am |
Butterfly,
I don’t have time for a lengthy reply unfortunately, but I just wanted to say I’m right there with ya. I have very little interest in being “enlightened” in any way that I’ve ever seen the concept presented. I want to be REAL.
An alternate view on the ego that I’ve really resonated with lately is that it’s something like scaffolding, or a cocoon, within which one’s intrinsic Self manifests and learns to interface with the world until the point where it doesn’t need the scaffolding anymore. We do take on a lot of “stuff” that isn’t truly us, but that doesn’t mean there is no “I” beyond the accumulated baggage and context. Buddhists, Tolle-followers and others tend to throw out the baby with the bathwater because they start out with the assumption that the baby doesn’t exist, and the explicit goal of getting rid of any Self that *might* exist, which then becomes a self (or no-self rather) fulfilling prophecy. I can tell you from experience though that if you start out with no assumptions, you’ll find the baby, lol.
I wish you the best in your situation with your guy; I can definitely understand that it’d be a tough one. I don’t know how useful my advice would be because I don’t advocate trying to change others; my only real input there would be to get secure in YOUR sense of self, and define what you are and are not willing to accept in a relationship. At that point you should have more clarity on the subject, though acting on it may require a show of strength on your part if it means you need to wish him well and go your own way. I can also say though that when you have that clarity, you’re more likely to attract people and situations that more closely reflect who you are and where you’re headed.
Take care,
–PH
September 1, 2009 at 12:33 pm |
Ok, first off i have to apologize if my english is a bit off, because it isent my main language..
Someone recommended Eckhart to me and said that I had to listen to what that guy had to say, because this would make my life so much better. So, in lack of better judgment I did. I watch a couple of videos and read half his book. Then I was so feed up by this guy that I couldent read or watch anything else he had produced.
I couldent belive how my friend could buy into this. So i went to Tolles homepage, and then I couldent believe how anybody could buy this.
His homepage is devoted to one thing, and that is not to “enlighten” people, but to lighten their wallets. Everything on his website is for sale. There are books, audiotracks, dvdbox sets, calenders and TV-subscriptions.
I honestly cant believe that people cant see that this mans main goal is to make money. I got no respect for a man who talks about innerpeace and forgetting your ego and bla bla bla, when all he does is to fill up his bank account. This is just plain old greed, and greed comes from ones ego. The very thing Tolle wants to erase.
So i called up my friend and told here my opinion.I got the reply, that I almost expected, that the reason I dident like it was because I wasent ready!
-Wasent ready for what? To reach for my wallet and give Eckhart some more well deserved cash?
- No she said, you arent ready to get read of your ego and experience inner peace…
And like Eric and butterfly mention, i also think that pain is a part of life. How can u know whats good, if u dont know what pain is? How can u feel emphati for another humanbeing in pain if u yourself dont know or feel pain? It sucks to be in pain, but it makes the good times so much better.
oh, and by the way, to the writter of this article: I liked it a lot and it was really nice to finaly find a website with Eckhart Tolles name in it where people still think for them self.
September 1, 2009 at 12:53 pm |
Hello, dear commenters…
I’ve been neglecting this blog recently, but it’s magical to see the discussion start up by itself. Thanks for visiting, and keep commenting!
September 3, 2009 at 12:11 pm |
So the latest development… can someone please explain why one seeking “enlightenment” needs to just disappear (or run away) from everything (about to graduate in 20 days too), not tell his girlfriend, parents or friends, and expect us all to sit back and be OK WITH THIS?
I admit there was a time when I didn’t know who I was, what I wanted, or how to act around others. It’s called adolescence. Now, I have developed my identity better and feel infinitely more complete than ever. Finding a person who challenges me felt like finally being able to complete that circle. The only problem with trying to talk about this with my bf is that I find I cannot express myself freely because I am limited by not being able to use certain words that he ends up using against me – time, myself, I feel, I want, it makes me sad/happy/angry… Everything always comes down to me giving into my ego, all of my past experiences do not mean anything and don’t bring me any kind of learning, and no matter what I say, I never get it “right”… except then he just turns around and says “well, we’ll never know what is right or the truth anyways”… so then….. why BE like that???
Please don’t tell me that being this worried about someone I love is proof that I do not know about “unconditional love”, because if I did, then I would be fine with waiting for days/weeks/years until he finds the meaning of life or whatever.
Please don’t tell me that asking someone you are in a relationship to satisfy needs of comfort, tenderness and love means that I am “dependent” and need to “complete myself” with someone else, when I am already “perfect” by myself.
Please don’t tell me that you do not with to ever put effort into anything, because you only want to do things that bring “pure joy”. How can not putting effort into anything ever do anything for you on any level?
Please don’t tell me you cry at the stars or at staring at a cat because of their “infinite beauty” but you are incapable or shedding a tear when I am broken with confusion or when I have to leave to travel across the world.
I’ve been told I’m too blunt and too open sometimes. All of this is obviously very personal. But I have never had any issues with sharing. I’ve never had trouble with being in touch with my feelings, though I used to have trouble identifying them. But what I am having trouble with is this misguided philosophy that is not only hurting me but so many others involved in his life. Too much introspection and self involvement is never a very good thing…
I miss him and I miss the freedom I used to have of not knowing that these kinds of problems existed.
September 6, 2009 at 2:46 am |
Oh dear! Your criticism of Eckhart Tolle reveals more about you than about the book.
May I suggest that you study the complete works of Carl Jung followed by the complete works of Joseph Campbell followed by the mythological traditions of all cultures. Meditate daily. Then read Eckart Tolle again.
English is not my native language. You will probably find mistakes and use them to demolish my comment
Relax. I wish you well.
September 18, 2009 at 1:26 pm |
Well stated, Louise!!!
October 25, 2009 at 7:10 am |
I’ve read Jung, adore Campbell and abhor Tolle. I don’t see where you find a connection between their study of mythology and Tolle’s renunciation of intellect.
All Tolle has done is taken a fake name, recycled some Buddhist and Taoist concepts and told his audience “not to think about it” as he cleans their wallets.
September 7, 2009 at 1:29 pm |
Good to see the Human Potential movement is alive and well. As Lewis said, you don’t know good ’till you know bad (paraphrase
) Google eckankar and don’t forget you can Christianize it à la Daniel Tocchini (defunct eckankar derivative ‘Momentus’). Hey, andsaywedid…your stuff’s a lot of fun, keep it up!
September 12, 2009 at 3:55 am |
HATS OFF TO YOU, you wonderful, analytical lady who had the guts amidst glazed-eyed crowds to point that the emporer has no clothes! I loved reading your post and enjoyed your wit and insights and could not agree more!
This man is not just an insult to the REAL philosophers of the past (since the concept of “Now” was always present in the teachings of Buddha, Gita, Nietzsche, Wittgenstein, the Upanishads) he can barely talk coherently on any of his video clips and literally advocates people to ‘Stop thinking’. That’s right. Does he mean stop using your eyes to read words and process with the linguistic parts of your brains?!! If he wants us to ‘feel’ his book – he should use braille. (This is eerily true to the prophecies of the ’stop thinking’ breed of new-age philosophers that Rand had foretold would take over the masses in Atlas Shrugged. And though I have issues with Rand’s rigidity herself she at least was one woman who had the good sense of understanding and glorifying the contribution of the scientist in our society & the rare one who made a woman engineer her heroine in her book waaay back.)
When these new-agers blasphemize ‘technology’, ’science’ & ‘thinking’ I feel like telling them then don’t use for your self-promotion the internet, the microphone, the printing press, the television, the airplanes to fly your butts, the mills that make your clothes but rather strut around naked and then preach and teleport yourself from conference to conference. And stop using halls to preach for hey – it is the structural engineer’s calculations that makes sure that the roof doesn’t collpase. And the electrical engineer’s contribution that your microphone is working. But oh- technology is bad, right? Illusions make buildings – and if they collapse use mental ‘energies’ to heal your pain bodies and don’t use the phone to call 911 because that’s science! And stop photoshopping your faces on your websites and show your ‘unaging’ bodies for what they really are. Better still – stop using the internet – ’cause hey – isn’t that science? Of course he can sit on the park bench in Vancouver and philosophize while the working (and thinking) Canadian population was paying for his welfare check for 2 years.
Any ‘guru’ who says he’s disinterested in money should be giving his books away free – not capitalizing shamelessly like this. Herein lies the hypocrisy – whatever the package.
These reductionism – loving writers are a slap on the face to Dawkins, Dennet, Pinker or even the more factually-based Wilber. I pity the poor husbands and boyfriends who are forced to read the Phils and Tolles of the world thanks to their insecure wives. And while I have great respect for Oprah for a lot of things she has done (and her own life as an example) I’m sorry to say that her book choices always falls short and she has indirectly promoted ‘pseudo-science’. She caters to insecure illogical women and totally ignores the women who are the true ‘thinking’ ones – the women scientists, engineers, architects, physicists and intellectual writers who are the real minority in a male world. Having logic does not mean we shun love, nor do we become she-men. There is such a shortage of ‘thinking’ women in this world and I thank you for having the guts and courage to give your opinion. I wish you strength for the barrage you might face for ‘woe betide when a man dares to question the ‘givens’ – woe betide tenfold when a woman dares to do so!’
I am a person who strived hard to find the fine balance between love, logic, science, body, mind and spirit and am happy I succeded balancing both the poetry and prose of life. Basically we all need unconditional love (which is why dogs are more therapeutic and honest than a 1000 books!) But we just have to develop a strong sense of self-esteem and use our rational minds to understand our own strengths and weaknesses and find what is PERSONALLY important and works for us. Any ‘guru’ who claims his way is the only way is a cult leader of sorts out there to get your money and rationality by brainwashing. Find your own meaning in life with a 360 degree view of reality and count your blessings! Honestly – the blogs of some of the doctors working for MSF are far more insightful and therapeutic than Tolle or any other new-age incoherence. The MSF blogs make one feel far luckier – because they show what reality really is like and how lucky we are by comparison. And I have far more respect for the Google guys and they should be worshipped more.
Any ‘guru’ can tout wordy ‘wisdom’. Real wisdom only comes from those who practice what they preach. Those with REAL authenticity. And zero hypocrisy. And Tolle, unfortunately, who might have had good intentions initially, falls face flat on the hypocrisy front. He is milking his windfall and laughing his way to the bank. Rand’s ‘Fountainhead’ is far more uplifting for thinking minds (her Toohey character a dead wringer for the ’stop thinking’ breed in his chilling speech on mind control later in the book), Ludwig Wittgenstein is far more logical in his philosophy, Exupery’s the little Prince’ is 10,000 times more healing in its insights, love and simplicity, Obama’s ‘Audacity of Hope’ is written by a man who practises what he preaches and a REAL leader; and I thought I’d never say this – but Tolle’s book makes even the Bible look logical!
Thank you so much for writing this hilarious and brilliant analysis! Be strong, sister!
September 13, 2009 at 12:00 pm |
Just wanted to say that I agree 1000000% on Exupery and the simplicity and beauty of the messages. All you ever really need to learn is in that short story.
September 14, 2009 at 1:39 am |
And this was an excellent article published in Newsweek this year (geez – they dared to not kiss the carpet on which O walks) about the problems pseudoscience can bring especially when promoted by naive celebrities.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/200025/page/1
As for Tolle, an earlier New York Times article found his background to be quite full of secrets and those years spent on park benches and ’spiritual circles’ never much elaborated by him or his centre – where a certain worker revealed some not-so-balmy-facts under secrecy. His work might help suicidal people but his own depression and suicidal thoughts suggest depressive borderline personality disorder quirks (he even changed his name – something common for those suffering from an identity crisis.) BPD sufferers end up becoming narcissistic (NPD) often as a self-soothing mechanism and see themselves as prophets as evidence from several cases of psychiatric studies have shown. The NYT article says that he did not even have any relationships earlier and it is ironic he is giving advice now. (Since it is far easier for an escapist/hermit type man to tout ‘wisdom’- honestly I think a working mom who is balancing home, family, job, love, daily problems and bringing up her kids well and maintaining her sanity and wisdom is more admirable than an escapist man now being helped by his rather business-minded and ’spiritual’ partner recent girlfriend (if you see Tolle’s new girlfriend on his site.)
The NYT article also says that it is no secret in New Age publishing circles that these days all you have to do is write any book on some spiritual stuff and somehow get it to Oprah. And then sit back and relax as everyone’s careers are made. In fact, Tolle apparantly himself is so indirectly narcissistic he even says that he did not like Oprah sitting next to him while He (His Holiness) was teaching!! What a way to repay a woman who has helped him so much!! Honestly – Tolle needs Oprah – he would have been largely unrecognized without her. And what Oprah achieved in her own life from a sad childhood is exemplary in itself. She did not need Tolle. And in her naive ‘openness’ she is guilty of promoting these moochers.
(And while the Dalai Lama is on a whole different front and level (since Tolle now is speaking with him!!)I wish at times he would mention the thousands of Indian soldiers who died over Tibet when China attacked and when China had asked the then Indian PM to hand over the Dalai Lama but India refused. Today it is a fad amongst westerners to take up the Tibetian cause yet when it was endangered only thousands of soldiers from India were sacrificed against the Chinese invasion and no other country had stepped forward to help.)
In the first 5 pages of Tolle’s New Earth book (could not proceed further and will not) at least he is citing a few of his examples but still – this is like stealing from old souls and passing it off as your own. My honest opinion:
A TRULY enlightened soul will tell you to ‘Find your sanctuary within yourself’ (Buddha). A cult leader will tell you to find it only through him & with him.(and charge you money while you’re at it). A truly independent & secure person who wishes you well will hope you empower yourself by enhancing your own sense of self through advancing the faculties of your own thinking mind & feeling heart. But the one who needs followers (to indirectly feed on his own ego)will tell you to abandon your identity, stop thinking & lose your sense of self to him. Period.
I highly recommend one reads the Newsweek article.
September 26, 2009 at 6:20 am |
I only just read this article. I honestly don’t watch television, therefore don’t watch Oprah, but I did see the webcast episodes (of A new world) on youtube. I can completely understand the appeal of the show, catering to the search for spiritual peace, better health, longer life… these are all totally human desires, and I think we all want some kind of answers. But the scientific points of view that get overlooked on the show do kind of concern me. I don’t think I would necessarily believe every word that Suzanne Sommers says anyways, but her ‘treatment’ sounds somewhat sketchy, and I’m nowhere near medically inclined.
Overall, I’m concerned, and I hope readers here don’t think it’s because I’m “biased” against Tolle or Oprah, but just as a logical person who questions things often, I’ve learned that even if you want to believe that faith and willpower and cure cancer, science is a tool we’ve created to HELP. Nor am I discrediting the power of faith or willpower… but there needs to be a sensible balance between the two extremes…
Thanks for the interesting reading material
September 14, 2009 at 4:34 am |
Ms. Logical
I fully appreitiate you’re points on Tolle. I like how you point out that that his teachings are fundementaly about escapeisim. I also like how you distinguish someone who requires you to abondon your identity from somebody who tells you “to find sancuary withen yourself”
Tolle is most defenatally the latter, and I find it sad really that he has gained so much popularity.
I do not belive he is all bad however, I do see some of his teaching helpful, and I cannot fully discredit the man. Yet I do not disagree with you, many of his teachings are painfully retarded, and actually upsetting to me.
I do belive some of these new age philosiphers carry allot of insight. I am afraid of useing the term pseudoscience, beacause it seems to be a mechanizim used by the sceintific community to condemn anything non-traditional. That is not to say that I do not find your discression beautiful Mrs. Logical beacause I do. I just feel that some legitamit thinkers have fallen under the title of pseudoscience, just beacause they offer a unconventional and different approach.
Butterfly I hope all goes well with you!
September 18, 2009 at 6:55 am |
Greetings to everyone.
I am currently reading “New Earth”, I have read before many texts on Buddhism, Taoism, the Bible, the Quran, and a bunch of different kinds of self-help literature, as well as some kind of fiction inspired by spiritual movements (such as Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance). And yes, I may say it makes sense to me. And no, I don’t think his style is cryptic, tautological, or whatever. He is giving his insight, trying to compile different traditions and make it more acceptable to a wider circle of people. In a way, he is trying to write “Enlightening for dummies” and, as such, his works suit that goal.
However, just as it is always so with approaching higher ideas to the masses, it gets distorted even by people who claim that they “got” it. I daresay there is a reason why all the processes that led to enlightening were kept elitistic, and why there were even cases of violence involved during the process of teaching (think of the Zen masters beating their apprentices when they wouldn’t get the proper idea). People tend to misunderstand the main point (just in a way that the word “sin” actually means “missing the goal”) and simplify things as “your ego is a source of your problems, just abandon it”. It reminds of the development of communism, which was itself a great and compassionate idea, but in practice it mostly led to pogroms and millions of people being killed in order to eliminate the “reactionary” elements. Karl Marx was lucky to live long enough to see what his theory developed into, and then said “I’m not a Marxist”. Probably Jesus would also have said “I’m not a Christian”. And, yes, if we get “tolleism”, it also would be a distorted, misunderstood version of what Eckhart is trying to point out.
It is not his ideas that are dangerous, it is blind following of them (as Butterfly’s boyfriend does). Tolle explicitly says that you mustn’t fight your ego, even not turn it down (because that is also a kind of “look-i’m-oh-so-enlightened” egoism), but to accept it, to observe it. Just as Buddhists say on meditation – when a thought appears in your mind while meditating, don’t push it away, just observe, let your awareness says “Oh, a thought!”, and leave it be. It’ll go away. So too, your ego will wane, just as you realize the complete picture. Of course, you wouldn’t lose your identity (that would be escapism), you would just become aware that it is not all that you are – that is to say, you would realize that your body and the whole identity based on it are conceptually not very different from your clothes, and the fact that wearing black clothes, fishnets and intensive make-up forms your identity as “Gothic”. Only the time span is different, and the fact that we are so attached to the body identity that we tend to look at the time we spend in one body as “all we have”.
As Buddhists say, an individual is a wave. The main objective is that that wave realizes it is water. But even when it realizes, it has to remain wave until its time has come to submerge back again, and maybe rise as a new wave. When Buddha became enlightened, he still lived on for 50 years. He was aware of who he truly was, but that didn’t mean he renounced this world completely.
Many have said that Tolle has pretty vague background, and that he doesn’t look like someone who is himself living the examples he’s teaching. Well, what exactly do we know of Buddha, Lao-Tse or Jesus? Of the three, Buddha’s life is maybe best-known, although also too anecdotal. Jesus himself appeared all of a sudden (if we don’t count the stories of his birth in Matthew and Luke as accurate historical writings), while Lao-Tse is almost completely unknown. However, no one tries to question the accurateness of Jesus’ words on love and compassion, or of the wisdom in Tao Te Ching. Those are considered universal. As of Tolle, however, suddenly everything is relevant, from his shoe size, to his social security number. I remember reading such critics also on Morgan Scott Peck, the author of The Road Less Traveled. That he split with his wife, not followed the road he recommended in his books, that he is just plain hypocrite… Well, if a doctor who smokes tells you that smoking is bad, would you still believe him? I think you would, since it is widely proven. But if some self-help book writer tells you you should or shouldn’t do something – suddenly it is very relevant if he himself does it. I mean, even Jesus wasn’t completely perfect, he himself also felt weak the night he was arrested, and asked God to spare him if possible – while many of Christian martyrs went to death later without a bit of sorrow. But that doesn’t make Jesus less plausible.
Even when you become enlightened you would probably have some regressions. I’m sure Tolle does have. But once he’s shown me the way, I don’t need him anymore, and I am not interested whether he is also walking that way. When you get to the Moon, you don’t have to carry the finger that pointed you there. In fact, what if the owner of the finger has never been to the Moon himself?
September 18, 2009 at 1:24 pm |
Why do you care? What is it about Eckhart that bothers you so much to the point of your nit-picking? Sit still with it … your mind is working overtime.
September 18, 2009 at 4:18 pm |
Just read your response to Wakar and found that you’re too full of yourself to do any real critical analysis of his work.
You have no clue on how to pinpoint and disarm a Tolle teaching — The vagueness, snideness and labeling that you employ reeks of BS to anyone with clear facilities.
You’d better sharpen your saw.
Also, you sound like a sad person who got teased a lot while growing up and never quite got over it.
Get rid of your pain-body and start creating some real value in your life for this world.
October 25, 2009 at 7:15 am |
I enjoy the amount of ego demonstrated in statements like this by Tolle followers.
I’m glad he’s really changed their lives. *sarcasm*
September 18, 2009 at 11:14 pm |
Yo Sabryn and ub
You guys are counsiouse beings remeber???
Do not react to what is written here by these uncounsiouse critics. It suggests that your ego is running the show. Lets deal with that pain body and quiet that ego shall we???
see what I’m saying??
miskec4096 anything envolving escaping the genuine emotion is escapisim. I appreitiate your stance and points
September 19, 2009 at 8:06 am |
Heheheh . . . good point Eric . . . and this comes from one of that of Ms. Logical’s “glazed-eyed crowds” that appreciates Tolle’s perspective. I take no offense Ms. Logical, I’m happy to see your post, I’m just admitting that I am one of them. I am OK with that opinion . . . You just might be right. I just might be a happy idiot. Anyway, Eric keep us on our toes good man!
I liked miskec4096 post too, well said miskec.
Considering the perspective that Tolle supports escapism – From just a bit of what I harvest of Tolle’s points, just for a specific instance, I’ve come to understand that it’s not so much about escapism wherein one would, through distraction, seek to not deal with what may be a real circumstance or emotional experience (perhaps considered a problem) in as much it is that you remain aware of, and thus (if you choose to) remain free of, any propensity for the mind to take over your experience creating and entertaining an imaginative focus that could make things seem so much worse than what they currently are.
As such instance – I’ve been out of work since early April, money is running out and since then, on several occasions, just as it looked like a new contract was to come to fruition the slow economy had dissipated what had been, only just a couple weeks earlier, an economic demand for my service. Several of my friends are experiencing much the same.
However, a couple of them especially, are not dealing with this well. They aren’t even able to enjoy all this free time they NOW have because they are so busy focussing on what terrible things might happen in the FUTURE. A couple of them are even questioning their own self worth just because they don’t have a job.
Right now they’re OK, I am OK . . . the difference is that I am really enjoying the free time I “NOW” have, I’m having a blast yet I am still confident that a contract will come through and I am actively exploring that. If nothing comes through before the money runs out I’ll deal with it then. Sure, I start to worry once in a while but I’ve used Tolle’s (and other’s) tools to recognize such waste as it begins and immediately start a new thinking thread, so to speak.
My friends and I share the same situation, the same things need to be done (find income), the same dire possibilities loom, we just entertain a different focus and thus a different experience of the same circumstance. That’s not escapism, is it?
Even if it isn’t, I still don’t completely condemn escapism. I know I’ve consciously and successfully used escapism just to get out of a downward spiral loop of a mind induced, negative thinking depression so as to give myself a chance to breath and thus the slight space that allowed me to entertain some optimism again.
Optimism is a habit. In my case it’s a learned habit. I’ve been to hell and back (of course that’s relative). Maybe that’s why Ms. Logical doesn’t identify with and/or condemns my kind of experience or Eckhart’s. Maybe she’s just naturally more capable of happiness, maybe she’s much more intelligent. In that case I could see how she might have little patience for the perspective or the lack of natural capability we share. I can’t blame her,
I had to learn to be happy. I learned it from my own experimentation and from others who charged something for their perspective/insight. I have no problem with people making money. In fact I am happy to pay it within my own sense of worth. If it’s not worth it I don’ t pay for it. Simple. No victim, no scam artists to blame, no moochers.
I’ve seen a couple comments that suggest that Tolle is discouraging thinking. From what I’ve gathered from him he’s suggesting quite the opposite. I gather that he’s advocating using the MIND as nothing more than a thinking tool for the use of the choice of your BEING rather than assuming the mind is your BEING, thus subjecting your BEING to the supposition of the MIND to the detriment of your happiness.
OH MY GOD! I know that can sound like such crap. I realize that statement can make no sense to those who don’t sense an experience of BEING separate from the mind but that’s a part of Echhart’s model and it is a part that I can imagine so it works for me. That’s why I didn’t assume he was advocating me to stop thinking. It could help to look past considering any model literally and adjust it as you can to your own experience. I do that a lot, after all, it’s just a model. If I can’t adjust it I set it aside in disinterest. Sometimes, two years later, something pops and all of a sudden the model works for me . . . sometimes it doesn’t.
I’ve got a feeling that though so many of us here SEEM to disagree I think the real differences more often come down to how differently each of us communicates and interprets the same experience and insight.
September 19, 2009 at 12:34 pm |
Response to Greg, and to a few others:
Well written. And while you are right that I do naturally have an optimistic disposition, I have been through many nasty things in life but never compromised my integrity nor lost my strength. I have also traveled extensively around the world and seen some really really dark geographic places (without being specific here)which have always reminded how comparatively lucky we are in first world countries. Which is why I say that sometimes the doctors working in conflict zones for Doctors Without Borders to me are ‘greater’ saints than Tolle because they walk the walk. I have also extensively read all the philosophical scripts, from Buddhism, Upanishads to Nietzche and other thinkers.
My ‘peeve’ with Tolle is the ‘cult of personality’ he is creating by quite simply plagarizing old wisdom. At least in his new book he acknowledges that this knowledge was there in the Upanishads – but all his aphorisms in Stillness Speaks are word by word translations of the Upanishads! Therefore he is definitely NOT an originator. Perhaps he gets a greater leeway as people in the west do not want to openly admit that yoga, the Upanishads and the Buddha had got it right eons back to begin with in anceint India – but need a new age guru mouthing old ’secrets’ to give it validity. I wish Tolle would have pretended less in his first book as an original ‘thinker.’ And honestly if it was not for Lady Oprah – he would have been largely unknown. So who is more influential – Tolle or Oprah. Obviously, Oprah – and honestly – I would say even her life is more inspiring than Tolle’s park sitting wisdom. (Trust me – I am a Canadian and can see how the working Canadians pay our taxes to support several park – musing artists and writers.)
A la contraire – Tolle is milking his windfall – but in the light of things his is not some ‘crime’ per se. Yes – for scientific and engineering minds it does seem ironic when new agers blast technology while using it for their advantage to self-promote. And for those who have already read several texts in their original forms – Tolle does come across as a simpleton plagarist – but, overall – what he has brought so far isn’t that bad after all – because things could have been far worse such as promoting religious fanaticism and fundamentalism as religious extremists do which is truly dangerous(and those guys are even more anti-science). Therefore by comparison Tolle’s books are much less harmful and if they bring peace to some, what’s the loss? Perhpas in a way – this has introduced Hinduism and Buddhism to the west the way it never was before. And maybe it can help those Americans who are overtly stressed and image-ego conscious by being more present in the moment. Only one has to watch out that one does not begin to worship Tolle like a cult leader. The fact that his centre pushes for that – is to me what is disturbing. But in the large gist of things and the truly horrendous crimes in the world – he has committed only a tiny tiny faux pas……I think his first book is pretty hilarious. And the latest is poetic if only by copying the UPanishads which Shopenhauer had mentioned waaaay back. I am just glad that Oprah’s latest ‘pick’ ‘Say you are one of them’ or such is a faaaaar better pick because those stories are the ones that remind us how relative happiness and safety are and how our problems are miniscule compared to what goes on in other parts of the world. As for Tolle – he has already taken his toll
And since I have claimed balance and joy in my own life in an earlier post – I am simply going to laugh and shrug off…Guys going through mid-life depression – read Hermann Hesse’s Steppenwolf – MUCH better. Say We Did’s post is anyway brilliant and hilarious. I have had a good laugh at her wit and I will laugh at all the others who got so dead serious and antagonistic towards her on the posts too.
Also – don’t try to blast Say We Did for speaking out her mind – that is very petty – to try and blame the poster and presume and guess her personality. She is a lady scientist – a rarity in a world full of vacuous, irrational women and to those posters who made personal attacks on her – shame on you! Not only did you not understand Tolle – let alone Buddhism or the Upanishads you all prove just how much of a cult mentality you already have developed. It is the scientists who make computers and the internet and even electricity possible so thank your stars that the scientists and the engineers of the world never go on strike. Really. And besides she is moderating your posts and yet you attack her! It is in her power to even not post your posts and yet you use her blog for your comments and say horrible things about the very person who made your rants possible?!! Wow! Isn’t it therefore her truly higher nature and generosity that she is letting you post criticisms about her on her own board? (She should be reading John Galt’s speech on Atlas Shrugged) – if she did every opposing poster would be deleted – yet you use her board, her hospitality and her silent permission to hear her own objective and biased criticism to bring her down!! Wow – pretty unbelievable, right?
So in conclusion – ask yourself – who needs who? And the answers and hierarchies are pretty clear:
Tolle needed the Upanishads & Buddhism to plagraize.And he needed the inventor of the printing press & the internet to self-promote.
Tolle needed Oprah to succeed.
Oprah needed the inventor of the TV (J.L. Baird) to become as popular as she is.
All of you (and me) needed the lady scientist ‘Say We Did’ to even have had the opportunity to give our opinions. Or else – go ahead – set up your own blog boards and then criticize.
And before going to bed each night thank Nikola Tesla above all else because thanks to him we have AC current which gives us electricity. Take a few moments to imagine life without electricity. And thank the inventor of the sewage system too due to which we have the sanitation system so we don’t have to dump our shit out the window like in the middle ages. And thank the brilliant google guys for letting this blog be visible when you search for Tolle’s criticism. It is the scientist you will find at the end who is the least recognised person in our society and to whom we owe the most. yes – the ‘thinking’ mind. A really brilliant woman scientist (Annie Le) was brutally murdered recently. Now don’t murder with your words another woman scientist who was brave enough to voice her opinions against a massive herd.
Period.
September 24, 2009 at 5:53 pm |
The fact is Ms. Logical, The Power of Now was a best seller long before Oprah got on board. Tolle talks were selling out before A New Earth was published.
“Tolle needed Oprah to succeed.” Not true.
Oprah always launches people she supports into the stratosphere, but Tolle was quite successful earlier.
Just a good idea to know the facts before you express opinions based on incorrect assumptions.
September 19, 2009 at 11:46 pm |
Well, to be completely honest, I haven’t seen anywhere that Tolle himself says that his wisdom is his own invention. Quite a contrary, he stresses that he is trying to rephrase the old wisdoms.
What we see happening is not much different from what happened to Jesus. A wise man turned into the only-born Son of God, the Saviour of humanity. Even though he himself said: “It is not a sin if you sin against me or my father, there is only one greatest sin, and that is to sin against the Holy Spirit”. And the Holy Spirit would probably be Jesus’ way of defining the Presence.
And, for that matter, even if science itself is something to be grateful for, you mustn’t make a mistake and turn science into some kind of godlike essence, as it seems to me Ms. Logical is trying to.
September 24, 2009 at 6:00 pm |
miskec4096…thank you I was wondering when someone would remember that nowhere does Tolle claim his ideas are original and that he constantly quotes Jesus and others who inspired his writings.
He is applying every word he has read and synthesized to the situations we are facing today. I think he is popular because we are willing to change. “When you are ready the teacher will appear.”
September 26, 2009 at 5:29 am
I asked this once and then got thrown tons of arguments about how every word I say comes from someone else and therefore nothing I can produce is ever really mine (I disagree), but here’s a questions…
why does one need a teacher when facing change? why can’t you be your own guide? why not get support from equals, instead of putting someone else on some pedestal?
September 20, 2009 at 2:24 am |
I’ve only read “The Power Of Now” and “A New Earth” and I’ve listened to an audio product called The Journey Into Yourself” which just seems to be a recording of some kind of seminar he did. In all that I never gained the impression that he was, nor that it was important whether or not he was, claiming his material as original. I admit that it seems to me Ms. Logical, and andsaywedid has read and thus stand to recognize plagiarizm where I couldn’t so perhaps Tolle has plagiarized to an extent that I would consider a compromise of my own integrity. That extent would be qualified by an act of copyright infringement, and those that stand to lose by such have legal recourse to remedy their loss, but again, that’s of no concern to me for I am not even legally nor knowledgeably qualified to judge that.
I did recognize that pretty much 100% of the ideas/insights/knowledge he presents is not original in it’s content so much as it is original in it’s presentation, at least to me. I’ve seen this type of knowledge presented all over the place throughout daily life and within material that I’ve read over the last 25+ years but, what I consider his genius (a relative term, hence I) and what I’ve come to appreciate is his way to get through to me as none have before. Considering my clear literary disadvantage as compared to that of what miskec4096, Ms. Logical, and andsaywedid HAVE read I would say miskec4096 hit it firmly on the head when he characterized Tolle’s work as “Enlightening For Dummies”. When I read that I laughed out loud, YEAH! THAT’S ME!
Miskec4096 I never got the impression that Ms Logical has expressed her appreciation for the fruits of science to the extent of fanatical religious fervor though often I’ve seen that done elsewhere. I love science and I too do actively appreciate much of what Ms. Logical called to our attention. She did mention that the author of this blog is a scientist. REALLY? That actually surprised me because I noted something in her critique that seemed to run quite contrary to scientific discipline. I never commented on it because it didn’t seem pertinent enough to mention and to tell you the truth it would be quite an effort on my part to articulate that point in a way that could benefit anyone’s interest, whether that be myself through the correction of my error of observation or positive validation and realization of such observation.
September 20, 2009 at 2:49 am |
I admit that it was maybe far-fetched from me to say that Ms. Logical is the one that divinizes science, but there are certainly many of them out there that are positive that the science will ultimately push God out of the picture. An Abrahamic notion of God probably, but not the concept of God as the ultimate reality.
As for plagiarism, you have to bear in mind that “to plagiarize” means “to present as yours own something that was made by someone else”. If Tolle were plagiarizer, why would then he so extensively quote words of Jesus and the rest of the Bible, Buddha, Tao Te Ching, the Upanishads and so forth? The only possibility for him to be a plagiarizer would be if it comes out that someone else has already done the same analysis of the material above, and come to the same conclusions, only didn’t make the breakthrough helped by some major showbizz character. But else, he’s no more plagiarizing than any theological writer trying to give his own interpretation of the aforementioned writings.
September 20, 2009 at 3:07 am |
One thing is, I notice is we attack Tolle for being a “plagerist” a “bum with a scetchy backgrounds” a “money motivated manipulator” amongst other things.
What does it really matter?? True or not??
Lets just face it. We don’t like the guy cause he’s a bit of a dooche. He triggers us off.
Do we have to build complex infastructure of reasoning and justification to explain why he pisses us off?
How can we simply and profoundly exhibit what it is about Tolle that feels aloof?
What I am saying is that, I feel that we have been all taught to justify our feelings. We have been told that if we cannot reason why we are upset, we are not allowed to be upset.
September 20, 2009 at 3:59 am |
Well, I just think it is because most people are extremely sceptical about the idea that a truly spiritual leader could be born nowadays. No matter what their religious opinion is, people would accept the spirituality of Buddha or Jesus – just because they lived so long ago. But after them, there are extremely few people that everyone would agree on being “genuine”. Even Mohammed is controversial. Not to mention Sai Baba.
I would really like to know how should the guy look that everyone would consider acceptable? What should he be saying and teaching? By what methods? And, most important, if there existed such person that could enlighten everyone at once – how come that it would never had happened before? The answer is that people are naturally bound to doubt. Even if the Judgement Day according to the Book of Revelation happened this very day, there would be people not believing or accepting it.
In Jesus’ words, “Many are invited, but few are chosen”. The “chosen ones” will get the message, no matter who brings it and how. The rest will just be contemplating whether they could trust the person or wait for someone else, and is it, after all, possible to get it, and if there IS anything to get at all.
September 20, 2009 at 6:15 am |
This will hopefully be my last post here – it’s been fun and getting into dead-end arguments is not my style. Discussions and brain-storming and reflections are fun but not when every poster is trying to convince the other why he/she/Tolle et al are the ultimate truth and the only truth or not and why their opinion is the best. (translation: ‘pick me, pick me!!’ ‘my teacher is better than your teacher!’ ‘ my momma…’ get the picture right?) Therefore I shall logically state my points and what I learnt and keep them as objective as possible:
1) Some love Tolle, some can’t stand him, some are irritated, some are amused…bottomline – to each their own. Who cares? At the end of life the only people each of us will anyway remember are those who we loved and who loved us, so what’s the point of useless head-butting about Tolle or strangers behind computer screens? Go watch a flower; see a sunset, play with your dog.
2) Tolle worshippers – leave the skeptics in peace; skeptics – let Tolle worshippers be. If his writings help potential suicide contemplators and as someone hilariously pointed out: ‘enlightenment for dummies’ then great! If he is the introducer in the simplest way of Hinduism and Buddhism to America in the 21st century – well – then, so be it. Maybe, just maybe his ‘everyman’ looks like the way Michael Moore tries to play his ‘common man defending against bad govt.’ appeals to certain people then great – to each their own.
3) Anyone who Oprah endorses makes a mountain of money and becomes HUGELY popular. Anyone. Yes, anyone. Period. Tolle’s lucky. A lucky man who could use the socialist systems of both UK and Canada where parks are safe places (unlike in the US) and the govt. supports ‘hanging -out’and free health-care and then was able to capitalize full blast in America with its best endorser. He got the best of the systems of socialism, capitalism and picking from books of eastern philosophism. Had he tried sitting in the parks in the US he might not have been so lucky. And in the US Oprah still is the most influential media person. This is a fact that perhaps even President Obama will attest to. So the most influential in the US media more than Tolle or eastern aphorisms or anyone is really – Oprah….if tomorrow she berates this man then his career is fried as well. Hence Tolle worshippers are indirectly even if they may not admit, Oprah-worshippers. How does that feel, men? Your wives will be ecstatic!
4) As someone mentioned Tolle makes 90,000$ per talk. Great – and his for-profit organization is managed by his girlfriend. Perhaps he may give back some money to the laid-off workers who flock to him. Is he capitalizing during the recession? You betcha! have others done that before? Of course! But between Madoff and Tolle – I’d pick Tolle. Between Tolle & say an original talented writer even Ralph Waldo Emerson/ Antoine de St. Exupery or even the quotes of cartoonist Charles Shulz – I’d pick all the latter three any day. This is MY personal choice and yours might be different…so don’t force your choices on me as I do not force my choice on you.
5) Do what brings each of you peace and joy. But don’t try to forcibly convert anyone to your point of view. Saywedid cited her personal opinion. She didn’t ask anyone to follow her viewpoint. This board is for Tolle critiques. His ‘fans’ are free to join his fan club and organizations and get out of here. So many of his defenders comment here while ironically some of his own youtube clips have their comments section removed and disabled. Could it be, just could it be that his organization does not like criticism? Could it be that saywedid has no qualms of ppl posting vitriolic posts about her on her own blog while Tolle’s guys don’t like anyone to post under his clips? Could it be that we ask ourselves who is exhibiting more ‘ego’ here? Could that ever be logically possible?!! Hmmmm
6) Comments made on my stance: I do not ‘worship’ science as I do not ‘worship’ religion or for that matter do not ‘worship’ any ideology/leader/writer. I follow my own personal philosophy that life and wisdom has taught and am quite happy with it. But I know that it is science which is making the better infrastructure of this part of the world possible and at an ER even the greatest God-worshipper will know that if his child is lying on a hospital bed he’d better trust the skill of the surgeon and the biomedical-engineering equipment than some God in the skies to cure his child. Those who blasphemize science are free to go and live in the mountains of Afganistan where you can see first hand what a lack of science can do. In my first post I already made my argument for science and I will not repeat it. It’s useless to prove to those who do not want to acknowledge that even the ‘great’ books require the workings of a printing press first off so others can read. At the same time I know that science alone cannot solve quests of the human spirit and the peace we yearn for. That peace truly comes from understanding love in all its depths and heights. At the end whatever it is we wish to name it as – it is love that we cherish the most in our lives and if we can accept and love our own selves in all our strengths and weaknesses, we can spread that love around and live each moment in love without getting angsty, angry, depressed. I practice what I preach so I know this. And it is also love for inventing, love for writing or love for one’s self or for one’s family that makes people go and do what they wish to the most – whether it’s a scientist’s invention, a poet’s book, a father’s sense of duty to his children. Those who are sad and looking for solace for a past they could not change will also ultimately see that in their time of need they did not receive unconditional love which is why they are seeking now. Love yourself for who you are, aim for the best you can be in your own eyes and you’ll find that life becomes a lot easier.
7) As I mentioned before – truly enlightened souls ask you to find your sanctauries within yourself; cult leaders ask you to find it through them and with them and charge you for it. And for one eager Tolle-defender who was comparing him to Jesus and Buddha – we do know however that the latter preached for free.
And I shall be practicing what I preach to myself too.
9) There are far larger problems in life and in the world. (and I say this having seen a lot of life and the world with my own eyes.) Be thankful that some genetic luck allowed you to be born here and not in places like Sudan or Rwanda. We all have the right to be sad sometimes, but we don’t have the right to be ungrateful for really, things could have been much much worse. If at 17, every kid in a first world country did volunteer work for even 3-6 months in a 3rd world country – truly most psychological problems would automatically get solved. Truly – there are so many larger problems in the world, when people nag with silly frivolous petty problems – to remain peaceful and non-nagged remember that classic line from Rhett Butler : ‘Frankly my dear, I don’t give a damn.’ And arguers will keep arguing on this board if they have nothing better to do. So I don’t give a damn either. True transcendence is when someone else’s extreme viewpoints cause neither anger, nor sorrow but rather – indifference.
10) While Bobby McFerrin had probably phrased all Tolleism way more simply and concisely eons back in his phrase “Don’t worry, be happy” and saved all these headaches and pro-Tolle, anti-Tolle discussions – last but not the least – could not resist this little dialogue placed below and – since so much has been spoken about the advocacy of thinking and not thinking, being and not being (and Greg you are right about the ‘Being’ part – that is in essence an intrinsic part of Buddhist philosophy) but I had to give this dialogue – a lovely twist of ‘think’ from an American classic and where the line truly shows when not to think….or when wasting brain space for frivolous topics and arguments is useless. Those who need followers for their sales figures need others’ opinions and self-promote to preach. Those who have a sense of self strong enough not to need external validation don’t really give a damn and have no time to bother.
here’s the quote and it’s pretty self-explanatory. (Here, Toohey needs others opinions to survive and need them to follow him, Roark is self-sufficient. He neither wishes to follow nor lead.)
Mr. Toohey (after practically destroying Roark’s career through politics): “Mr. Roark, we’re alone here. Why don’t you tell me what you think of me? In any words you wish. No one will hear us. What do you think of me?”
Roark: “But I don’t think of you.”
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September 24, 2009 at 6:11 pm |
I see now how easily it is to misinterprete.
Ms. Logical says in the above blog – Tolle believers are trying to get non-Tolle believers to convert.
I’m wondering where, in what blogs? Most of the Tolle believers have said, his writings have helped them and then tell us how and that is all.
By the way Ms. Logical – “But I don’t think of you.” Best put down line in cinematic history.
October 25, 2009 at 7:22 am
If you’re telling people to cast off their “pain body” you’re either A: assuming all people share your belief in this imaginary “pain body” or B: saying that if they don’t, they should. The latter (B) is clearly a kind of attempt to persuade people to your ideology (although I know you don’t call it that) which is defined as “proselytization.” So yes, you are trying to convert people.
September 20, 2009 at 7:27 am |
Yeah . . . I’m getting kinda tire too. Take care ; ) . . . and enjoy . . .
September 23, 2009 at 8:52 am |
I’ve never blogged, but after reading a few entries (especially butterfly’s) I would like to share this – take it as you will….
Some have come here because they are hurt. Some have come to hurt others. For the latter all I can say is you’ve demonstrated that you have a mind capable of far better things than name calling. Do you have nothing better to do?
Eckhart, given what I took from “A New Earth”, strongly suggests a deconstruction of cognitive interference. It is not thinking that is bad – Thinking is a powerful tool. It is how one thinks that is the issue. Consider your existence if all your action and decisions were immediate resolution to a given circumstance. There would be no need to contemplate how “you should” respond – your action would be a direct extension of your being – who you are.
The paradox inherent with this is:
a deconstruction of “who you are” until there is no “who” or “you” – enables life to be a neutrality: a wave forever balanced, 0…
This to some would seem like the end of an existence suffered – however without pain there can be no pleasure – without sorrow, no joy – and if one were to not take full advantage of and appreciate life, on all fronts, would that not be suffering in itself?
I am not familiar with blogging etiquette, but to address you directly Butterfly, take into consideration what is happening on a larger scale… Someone you care about, who is supposed to care about you, is causing you harm. What we don’t do can have a much larger impact than we choose to do. Avoiding responsibility for the things we don’t do is called neglect. Love does not neglect. If your boyfriend is “searching” for enlightenment, he will not find it. He is living his life doing what he believes he should do. The problem is that by believing enlightenment is the “right way” to live, by making it a goal, he will not be satisfied until he reaches his goal, enlightened. Without that satisfaction he will continue to meander a confused person – too caught up in what “he should do” to do any genuine thing at all (ie love) – it’s a spiritual loop, a trap, much like the ones the blind and dogmatic fall into. The solution is once he stops doing what he thinks he should do and really begins to be himself, he will have reached his destination.
It’s hard to get there, it’s not as easy as flicking a switch. But perhaps it’s worth a life’s ambition. Either way I hope things turn out for the better.
How enlightened could a mind be to see infinite beauty in life and stars, but not you?
September 23, 2009 at 11:03 am |
aldous, I am one of the “name callers”no doubt, but I like what you are saying. Especially regarding Butterfly’s dude freind. As well I enjoy how you frame the pursuit of Enlightenment.
Good stuff buddayyy
And unlike Greg an Ms. Logical, I shall never tire of this blogg cause its sweet and I love you people
September 23, 2009 at 11:05 am |
and I have nothing better to do, beacause I enjoy name calling too much
September 23, 2009 at 11:44 am |
Aldous, thank you for taking a moment to address my “issue” so personally and so delicately. I really do appreciate your insight, whether it may be what I ‘want to hear’ or not.
The only thing I would like to add is this: I believe every human being goes through a time where you have to “find yourself” and all these abstract ideals of Self and Me and I and Ego DO come to have some importance. I am not, at all, diminishing the importance of taking time to do some introspective thinking, or figure out what you like, what you are passionate about, what you could do without, reevaluate the relationships in your life, and endless other things. However… while I do enjoy the mental stimulation this blog brings me, and I did do my best to read up on all this (and NOT just Tolle’s work, but a little bit of older philosophers and other writers as well, since I believe looking at an issue from many many points of view), I’m becoming a little tired of it all.
Maybe it’s because I dislike the elitist sentiment of who is “enlightened” and who is not. Who am I, you, Tolle, or anyone else to judge who has found more truth than others? I would like to believe that that is not possible. Everyone finds truth and finds themselves in their own way. Maybe I struggle with this all because I already had my own “awakening”, if I were to call it that, some time ago. Because it’s been some time since I figured out all the amazing potentialities I have inside, and I did it all without a book, without “guidance”. I did it through pain, yes, but also joy and also growth. Maybe I don’t understand the process my boyfriend is going through because it’s so dramatically different from what I went through. Because I never ’searched’ for it or felt I was being ‘pushed into the present moment’. It just… happened. Did I hurt people in the process? In a way, I am still trying to repair some of the relationships that suffered, before I was “reborn” (but on my own terms, which to me means becoming fully aware of the good and the bad and what I can improve to bring more harmony and well being to myself and those around me).
But I agree with Aldous. Avoiding responsibility through some kind of misguided or confused sense of ‘only living in the present and in the search of pure joy that requires no effort’ is not going to work. Perhaps in THEORY, it makes sense. But how many theories can only just remain theories?
I’m not educated in theology, philosophy, or anything of the sort. I hope that, as Aldous says, my “dude friend” (thanks Eric, hehe, I’ll use your term here) will see that he already found all of the beauty and truth that he thinks he’s missing. And I’m not suggesting it’s in me, not at all. I’m saying that he has it in his family, in his friends, in me (those of us who worry about him), in his surroundings, in nature, but most of all… in his own potential. His own potential to be abstract AND also live appreciating the people that are part of his life.
So again, thank you for taking a moment to read, reflect, and write. The reasons I posted was to reach out and find connections, to not feel so lost and so confused about what is happenings. I’m grateful that that is happening.
September 23, 2009 at 12:17 pm |
Butterfly you are a plum pudding
and a strong soul
You’re so money you don’t even know it!
You don’t need any help with this, you know whats up
Your Dude Freind Eric
September 23, 2009 at 12:34 pm |
Eric, I’m not sure what you mean by plum pudding, but I take it as a good thing?
Thanks. I certainly don’t feel “strong” at the moment, but I’m hoping that will kick in at some point.
On a side note… has anyone seen the movie “I Heart Huckabees”?
September 23, 2009 at 12:41 pm |
Plum pudding is defenatally a good thing!
Allow yourself to feel the way you want to feel, whatever that may be
September 23, 2009 at 1:02 pm |
Thank you. Again.
September 24, 2009 at 7:38 pm |
I don’t get it… It’s hard as hell to get published if you’re a sane, rational person. Clearly the answer is to become a complete nutjob, who thinks that they alone have mysteriously received all of the answers through a careful and (this one’s important) ‘unthinking’ study of history and psychology.
It would be so easy to expose this clown. Simply ask him where his information comes from. Ask him how he knows this stuff. He’d probably brush it aside as being irrelevant, and that thinking in such a manner inflames the pain-body, but whatever.
This goes to show that people will always be irrational; chasing psychosomatic responses, since they are unable to see that life is truly amazing without the need to classify everything as ’spiritual.’ I bet if we discovered a spiritual world, analyzed it, and properly documented it, that they would eventually find that boring as well, and try to move on to something even more ridiculous.
September 26, 2009 at 6:31 am |
Luke: one of the main “problems” I have, as a “critic”, is that I always want to ask and ask and figure this stuff out logically. Anyone is free to correct me if I am misinterpreting the “true” message, but the replies I’ve gotten (or read) from my bf and on message boards and blogs like these is that I should not need to “ask”, I either just ‘get it’ or I don’t, I’m either ‘ready to awaken’ or not, or the conversation ends in some strange circle of contradiction where it doesn’t really matter who is right or wrong because it’s all just words anyways. I’m sorry, but this getting it or not, being ready or not, or being logical or not, does not bring me peace. Most likely, I’m not “ready”. But please, don’t brush me off like that. Please.
Debating an idea or philosophy does not mean attacking it or discrediting it. If one cannot bring good arguments or brushes the other off as being “unenlightened”, this to me says you cannot find good arguments or cannot come up with the energy to. And I think this is unfair to all others who don’t see things in exactly the same way you do.
The magical thing about life and spirituality is precisely the fact that we never really know. Even though that sometimes brings pain or fear or insecurity, it’s the way it is, that’s the “price” we have to pay for getting to live in the first place…
September 26, 2009 at 8:49 am |
I digg Butterfly, I digg
I am with you on that, I’m just a bit different, cause I think emotionality is really whats important. I feel that emotions are far more helpful than your intellect in understanding pain. Its not so much about figureing it out, but just to experiance life as it unfolds. People are all about throwing everything into a problem model. Or objectifying there emotions with logic, or becoming “enlightened”.
I saw a little girl today at the farmers market. She was crying cause she was stressed out over something, and her parents were only agrivating her. She kept repeating “I want to go swimming” And thats a common scene a little girl diddent get her way so she starts crying. But it makes no objective sense she’s at the farmers market and she wants to go swimming? But maybie she just wants to go swimming??? She just wants to be happy and play. It was such a simple expression of being detatched from that what we want. I felt for her, cause there really is no logic to what she wanted. Does that make her wrong for wanting it?? Does she need a reason to want that? But she just wanted the experiance of swimming. Adults are no different to me, we want something and when we cant have it we get upset, but we use our mind to objectify the crap out of everything, which is important, but we go way too far with it like Ms.Logical (no offence) instead of just allowing those feelings.
If there was no one to identify something as a problem, there would be no problems, things would just be. I’m not saying to neglect something if there is an obviouse dysfunction. I am just suggesting that we overidentify the Universe as a dangerouse threatening place that we must controll.
So I think we are comming at from a similar place butterfly, as far as it comes to identifying logic and enlightenment a way to avoid genuine emotion.
Am I wrong?
September 26, 2009 at 9:16 am |
Eric, thank you for your contribution, and more so for the very illustrative example with the little girl. As someone who appreciates clear examples like this instead of complicated abstract circles of overly abstract words, thanks.
Perhaps you have a very valid point, and perhaps I did not word my opinion as clearly as I would have liked. I completely value the importance of feelings, and of letting them show. One of the biggest lessons I’ve learned recently is the value of expressing needs and desires in a objective way therefore making them reasonable requests. And I agree that as adults, we very often focus on calling something a “problem” and almost obsessing with the negative. We want to control, and at the same time many things are out of our control. We become either victims/martyrs, or heartless egomaniacs. The center, source, or “locus” of our power can come from within ourselves, or we can leave it up to fate. Again, I want to believe a middle ground can be found – rely on your inner power to adapt to the things you cannot control.
Bottom line: human emotion is part of our lives, and no amount of denial, enlightenment or disassociation of pain-body or responsibilities will get rid of that. Pain, quit bluntly, sucks, and lack of emotion, whether giving it or receiving it, hurts. I agree, sometimes what we want is not logical… but sometimes, even the illogical can be achieved, if you work at it enough… and try not give up or lose hope (not the best one to talk about this at the moment, but I do believe that is true, despite my current predicament)
September 28, 2009 at 10:38 am |
Butterfly, let me answer you those questions you asked above, about people needing a teacher. Basically, you don’t need a teacher, but most of us get an insight when someone – perhaps a friend, a relative, some guy on TV, a book – says or does something that triggers us to finally understand things. And if someone systemizes several such notions resulting in many people getting insight at once – well, then he becomes a teacher, whether he wants it or not. But it is still not he that wants to be put on a pedestal, it’s the people that put him there, because they find that eye-opening so fascinating and out of this world that they think they would never be able to figure it out by themselves.
Buddha has a good saying on that. He says that a good insight is like a raft that helps you cross the river. But when you get to the other side, you should probably leave the raft there. Instead, many people cling onto the raft, since they find it so helpful that they think they would never be able to let it go. It’s a mixture of gratefulness, helplessness and dependence. Instead of building rafts for the others, you can get rid of yours – which in fact is not yours.
Thus, everyone is able to become a prophet for oneself, only it is better to stay a sheep. No responsibility. Just blind faith.
September 28, 2009 at 10:41 am |
Sorry, a typo. It should have read: “Instead of building rafts for the others, you CAN’T get rid of yours – which in fact is not yours.”
October 4, 2009 at 12:54 am |
It’s a shame, and at the same time not surprising, that this is how you spend your time and energy. If you did your research you would find that Eckhart’s “teachings” are very much derived, and based, on Buddhist teachings, Taoist teachings, Christian teachings, as well as Krishnamurti’s. You probably don’t know who he is, right?
The only thing Eckhart has done is to find the words (the pointers) to communicate the thoughts, found in MANY spiritual teachings, into a somewhat new and insightful manner that for many years have been seen as cryptic and quite difficult to conceptually understand. With the amount of effort you put into this blog you could better serve yourself, and others, by perhaps educating yourself first. Not only with research into the different religions but with, perhaps, research into the common thread that runs through each of their teachings.
Be well,
jS
October 7, 2009 at 1:19 pm |
To quote Harold R. Dewinsky, “Holy Crap.”
Get it?
Ha ahahah.
To quote Joe Walsh, “But seriously, folks.”
Really. I hope you lightened up a bit, because now it gets serious. Andsaywedid, FlutterBy, and other angry nay-sayers, your cards are revealed. And guess what? There never was a game!! You missed the point!!
GET IT??
There are certainly little thingies wrong with what ET said in TPON. If you GOT it, you need not read NE. YES, it is a restatement of old words and points of view. If you don’t like it, STFUA? Save your posting time and go work at a Soup Kitchen. Earth don’t need your stinking anger. If our success comes down to the wire, consider yourselves on the wrong side of the gate. IFSFY. (i feel sorry for you.) Meditate on the concept that if you need to have it explained, then you will never own it.
With much love,
Bonjarno
October 9, 2009 at 6:06 am |
Even if Eckhart Tolle is nothing but a “get rich quick self help guru”, I would gladly live in his world as much as I would be terrified to live in the world of the author of this blog. All theories and spiritual teachings aside, it must be a complete hell living with so much anger and frustration, being so passionate about hating any ridiculous thing that comes your way. I wish all the best to you and may you find your path to peace and happiness, whatever that might be for you.
October 12, 2009 at 11:27 am |
You seem to be a very neurotic, angry person. What rae you so afraid of?
October 15, 2009 at 11:13 am |
I saw Eckart Tolle on PBS, I had no idea about Oprah’s book club mention. andsaywedid, I liked your comment “Oprah the spiritual window shopper”. She is! I feel about Eat, Pray, Love by Elizabeth Gilbert the way you feel about Tolle. She was on Oprah also. And her book and ideas are vomitus. If you read it I would love to know your thoughts.
October 15, 2009 at 4:17 pm |
Anger? On the internet?? Never!
It is perfectly understandable for people to be skeptical of Mr. Tolle, what with CNN replaying Jonestown massacre footage weekly and other similar stories firmly etched in the collective consciousness. With Tom Cruise (who, interestingly enough, has been on Oprah many times endorsing his own work, and from who Oprah has clearly distanced herself as his antics have increased in their level of crazy) and his nutso Scientology friends making plenty of headlines, it’s not surprising at all that Mr. Tolle is feared, jeered, and smeared to the extent he is.
People are afraid of the killer kool-aid; and nobody wants to look like an idiot in the future when their supposed guru is revealed to be a monster.
In this situation, though, I feel the fear and anger is being a bit misdirected.
What Mr. Tolle has done is basically wrap Eastern teachings in a Western package, thereby bringing a message that many people (especially those in the close-minded pockets of North America) would never dare explore, whether because it conflicts with their own religion or because of some racial prejudice against things spoken by non-white people.
So I guess you could look at it as being a sign of how bad things have got that this message is only now being explored because the speaker is somebody more relatable than a Buddhist monk, but I don’t think that really matters. So what? Yes, things have gotten bad, but the important thing is to look forward to a world where the close-mindedness that necessitated this in the first place has begun to fade away.
It is very true that Mr. Tolle has made a lot of money in the past decade, but I don’t think it’s fair to use that as a criticism against him. So nobody can ever write anything because it might become popular? The reality we currently inhabit is cash-based, and I don’t hold a grudge against a man for being successful. If he was telling people to quit their jobs and go live in a cave then perhaps some hypocrisy might be at work, but there is no such message in what I’ve read (Power of Now; New Earth). The messages are simply about bringing more peace to your current life situation, whatever it may be, and then seeing how that newfound love and joy brings with it its own changes, whether they be job and money-related or no.
Also, one can easily access anything he has ever written or said for free via the library and YouTube, which is exactly what I, a person of modest means, did.
Don’t forget that his books and tapes are published by large companies, and their goal is indeed to make profit; but that’s just the way society is at the moment. Maybe in the future, as Captain Picard put it, “money won’t be the driving force in our lives,” but until then we might have to use channels whose principles we don’t necessarily agree with.
We are all one person. All of us. There are no other people, no you and I. None of our experiences belong to just us. This is a crazy experience we’re all having, and nobody can really say for sure what the hell is going on, but it’s an experience you can see reflected in every person you encounter each and every day. When you realize this truth, that we LITERALLY are the same person, things may indeed change in your life. Boyfriends and girlfriends may come and go. You may feel a love that is more universal and not immediately directed at any one person. Perhaps marriage and career, words appearing frequently in many above posts, aren’t the most important things to you anymore. Or maybe they will remain so.
Finally, there has always been a hero-worshipping distortion of any popular message; people looking at the medium and not the message; the pointed finger and not the sky. People will surely create (if they haven’t already) Tolle fan clubs and will wear silly Tolle hats, but all that is just noise. The current major religions of the world are all pretty much insane distortions of the same thing. Instead of hearing Jesus’ message, let’s just bloody him up, put him on a cross, and stare at him! What??
So my personal recommendation would be to save your money for rent and foodstuffs and explore his message through free avenues. Or don’t. Or go to Tibet and see what’s up there. Just have an open mind, is all.
As the great Bill Hicks said: “The world is like a ride in an amusement park. And when you choose to go on it, you think it’s real because that’s how powerful our minds are. And the ride goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills and it’s very brightly coloured and it’s very loud and it’s fun, for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time and they begin to question, is this real, or is this just a ride? And other people have remembered, and they come back to us, they say, “Hey – don’t worry, don’t be afraid, ever, because, this is just a ride.” And we kill those people.”
Have a great day!
October 16, 2009 at 12:57 am |
Andsaywedid, ask yourself what makes you feel threatened in the words of this soft-spoken man, Eckart Tolle? Spite and anger come out of fear, beeing threatened. I ‘ll tell you what it is- your vanity feels threatened.
It is not unnatural at your age. I havent been any different. You still working on it who you are, how great a person, and so on. As the life progresses, you ll probably find the vanity of yours the biggest millstone hanging on your neck – a tower of lies you have to spend enormous amount of energy to keep standing, because of which you suffer an endless fear of it falling.
Well, at least you do not call for the burning of a book, like the hurt vanities of the centuries past did. Or of the author himself.
Here is a statement of a renowned scientist, editor of the ‘Nature’, Sir John Maddox, regarding a book he didn’t like:
“I was so offended by it, that I said that while it’s wrong that books should be burned, in practice, if book burning were allowed, this book would be a candidate (…) I think it’s dangerous that people should be allowed by our liberal societies to put that kind of nonsense into currency (…)You see, Sheldrake’s is not a scientific theory. Sheldrake is putting forward magic instead of science, and that can be condemned, in exactly the language that the popes used to condemn Galileo, and for the same reasons: it is heresy”
The name of the book is ‘The New Science of Life’, written by a Cambridge lecturer at that time, biochemist Rupert Sheldrake. The hurt omniscience of the late Sir Maddox had to be content with the expulsion of Sheldrake from his post at Cambridge and the scientific community. This all happened at beginning of the eighties, 20th century- not that long ago
I am writing this to illustrate how the vanity works and how far it can go. And it can and does often go much farther. There can be no war without vanity- satisfying this bottomless barrel seems more important than the lives of others or one’s own. Who would ever risk his life in a war without vanity?
Ego, or the vanity is not a born-in human feature as some may think. It is only as old as the agriculture and civilisation, of the same age as the war, actually.
Sharp threefold Freudean division of the personallity is of the same age – an American Indian speaks of himself in the third person. It is the civilized ones, doing each other untold cruelties for millenia, who have their ‘I’ an their ‘It ’s mine’ – their egos.
The time has come that the humans go out ot this millenial valley of tears. Jesus and Buddha possibly simply reached the state of mind of a natural human being, whose soul has not been contaminated by the civilisation as we know it.
This is what Tolles’s book is about-it s a pointer showing the way. And you say you understand it all.
October 18, 2009 at 11:32 am |
Totally agree with Goldmund! don’t we just want some peace?
October 19, 2009 at 9:44 pm |
It seems my comment is going to await moderation for a long time.
October 24, 2009 at 11:58 pm |
Well ive read your piece here, its absouletly fascinating to me how a little book full of little words can stir so much emotions in you, after all you are interpeting the words the way they ring to you, another person will her them differently and so on. But you probably would need to take an honest look at your reactions and see why you are arguing with lines written on a book?? After all thats what they ultimately boil down to, little words on a book
October 24, 2009 at 11:59 pm |
Well ive read your piece here, its absolutely fascinating to me how a little book full of little words can stir so much emotions in you, after all you are interpeting the words the way they ring to you, another person will her them differently and so on. But you probably would need to take an honest look at your reactions and see why you are arguing with lines written on a book?? After all thats what they ultimately boil down to, little words on a book
October 25, 2009 at 12:10 pm |
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